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EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by tgv »

blue_light_man wrote: post #577
tgv wrote: post #19

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Thank God nobody ever standardized electrical plugs. I'd hate being able to plug my vacuum cleaner and laptop in the same outlet.

You don't even know what else could have happened if there was no standardization. Maybe the industry must have progressed without the need of outlets in the first place.

> You don't even know what else could have happened if there was no standardization.

Yes, I do. There would be no standard.

> Maybe the industry must have progressed without the need of outlets in the first place.

Wireless electricity? Maybe, maybe not. 99.999999% probability for the latter, though.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by rs999gti »

Apple has a few choices

1. Stop selling in the EU, but this is unlikely due to it being 20% of their market

2. Make a new model of iphone for the world with USBC

3. Add a premium to EU market phones to pay for the regulations

I'd like to see 2 and 3 implemented with 3 making the iPhone cost 1.5x or more in the EU

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by rs999gti »

blue_light_man wrote: post #607
TheYumasi wrote: post #555

As an EU citizen, I am really happy with this decision. I am an iPhone user, but having an iPhone is not ubiquitous here, almost all of my friends/special other, use an Android phone with USB-C. Most of their laptops, Mac or not, use or allow USB-C for charging. This as been the case for a few years now, yet, if I go somewhere for more than a full day and forget my lighting cable, my phone will become a useless paper…

This is such a short sighted view. What just happened is, EU, a political organization enforcing the use of a technology on a company which operates on free market. It's Apples best interest to make technology that the consumers want so that they can sell more units of that. A political organization like EU has no say in this. EU citizens already make this decision for themselves by voting with money and choosing to…

> What just happened is, EU, a political organization

An unelected political organization

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by permo-w »

sneak wrote: post #970
permo-w wrote: post #718

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this is an excellent explanation for why this kind of public regulation is necessary. of course they didn't stop buying them. and this is exactly why regulating businesses by consumer behaviour is so so unwise multiple standards may well be easily avoidable, inconvenient and bad for the environment, but people aren't going to change their behaviour, solely because they like Apple's UX

Maybe it’s a sign nothing is broken and it doesn’t need fixing.

do you think you’re saying that out of logic, or ideology

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by duffyjp »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #812
wongarsu wrote: post #744

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It gets kind of lost in the summary, but only devices that are rechargeable via a wired cable have to be chargable via USB-C. So going fully wireless is perfectly legal. It's also perfectly legal to offer other charging ports in addition to USB-C, though that's less likely to happen in phones. And while this regulation puts some limitations on innovation in connectors, Thunderbolt shows that there is lots of room to…

Wireless magsafe is like half the speed of wired (peak 18w, nominal 11w vs 20w)

I have the MagSafe battery and if your iPhone is hot it won't charge wirelessly at all. It was frustrating to come prepared with a 100% phone and 100% battery pack, and leave an event with a dead phone and 60% still in the battery pack.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by klempner »

hedgehog wrote: post #780
klempner wrote: post #743

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There is no such thing as a C to C cable that is "power only" or doesn't support PD, unless it is grossly spec incompliant. The minimal spec C to C cable is USB 2 data and supports power delivery with currents up to 3 amps (i.e. 60 W at 20V 3A) This is enough for most phones, and almost all of the exceptions use proprietary charging that isn't going to work on a C to C cable anyway. The labeling issue of all these ch…

I already have three kinds of C to C cables, some that will work with my laptop+monitor and some that won't, then some power-only ones for random accessories. We can no-true-Scotsman all day but so far type C hasn't simplified my life and as far as I can tell it won't in the near future. iPhones switching for me will just mean throwing out a decade of Lightning cables and buying USB-C cables.

Are these "power only" C to C cables something you're explicitly going out and buying or something that comes with these random accessories?

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by LeanderK »

pwpw wrote: post #407
necovek wrote: post #313

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I am hoping for my next car to be chargeable through a USB-C port too! /s I love the fact that there is a standardized port, and I can get devices of any type to charge with a single powerful charger. But connector and cables are wonky at best if you want to have a single cable for everything too (look up prices, thickness and lengths of USB-C PD 100W, alt-DP 1.4 capable, USB 3+ speeds cables, and then watch them bre…

> I am hoping for my next car to be chargeable through a USB-C port too! /s I’m aware of your sarcasm, but it did bother me that my Tesla used a proprietary port that made it more difficult to use other charging locations, such as the charger next to my apartment. Electric vehicle charging ports need standardization as well. Perhaps having these laws standardizing ports will set the groundwork for a more robust stand…

> I’m aware of your sarcasm, but it did bother me that my Tesla used a proprietary port that made it more difficult to use other charging locations, such as the charger next to my apartment. Electric vehicle charging ports need standardization as well.

This is happening in europe, tesla is switching to type 2 connectors. I think these laws certainly play a role in motivating the company.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by LeanderK »

rs999gti wrote: post #972

Apple has a few choices 1. Stop selling in the EU, but this is unlikely due to it being 20% of their market 2. Make a new model of iphone for the world with USBC 3. Add a premium to EU market phones to pay for the regulations I'd like to see 2 and 3 implemented with 3 making the iPhone cost 1.5x or more in the EU

nobody would buy such an expensive iPhone. I bet they will just switch to usb-c, like they did with the iPad.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by hyperman1 »

dahfizz wrote: post #198
hyperman1 wrote: post #98

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There is no reason the EU can't upgrade to a new standard, or the USB consortium can't create a backward compatible upgrade. My USB 1.0 keyboard from long ago still works, BTW. Meanwhile, I have a box full of chargers for all kinds of old stuff. Replacing them all with 1 standard is great. And USB is doing just that, not only for cell phones but for all kinds of gadgets. Even if I only require an USB micro and an USB…

For reference on how quickly the EU moves on these things, USB-C is over 8 years old. It has been ubiquitous for years before this legislation came down. They aren't exactly staying on top of new tech. Also consider: USB-D is going to have a much harder time reaching the market penetration it needs to be relevant. It creates a chicken and egg problem. No manufacturer will want to upgrade if they are required to use U…

You're complaining about the time Apple managed to stall them. The EU has been very patient with them. Too patient, IMHO

USB B micro was what the manufacturers were deciding amongst themselves (except Apple). The EU would not have created a law if they managed to agree, and some representative industry consortium could then upgrade the standard on their own. Nobody likes how the situation is forced now, including the EU. Apple foolishly fucked over everyone.

Also note that USB 4 had no touble reaching market penetration, as it was backward compatible. A backward compatible connector is still possible. So is multiple charging methods like wireless charging. It's just that a minimum has been enshrined in law.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by omniglottal »

2III7 wrote: post #867
kelnos wrote: post #826

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> There's a long history of Apple using proprietary connectors to achieve performance specifications above... Oh please, Apple has barely improved Lightning since its introduction a decade ago (2012!). Yes, back then, it was better than what was available, but the industry has moved on, and Apple has stagnated. > Hell, in all likelihood, Apple is likely to ditch a charging connection altogether in favor of wireless c…

> Unlikely. For one thing, wireless charging is still much slower than what you can get with a cable, and for another, users will not tolerate needing to lug around a charging pad (with its own cable), or hope that someone nearby has one. Yes, I know similar things about tolerance were said about the removal of headphone jacks, but I don't think this is quite the same situation. But users do accept carrying charging…

The devices you list are not used/charged in a moving vehicle, but rather at its destination. A phone is considerably different in this very relevant regard.
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