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Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by killyourcar »

phpisthebest wrote: post #950
killyourcar wrote: post #940

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Kiwi Farms has killed and swatted people and had resulted in many direct threats of violence to individuals. It's not really a slippery slope at all. All three sites are way, way beyond the pale. Calling it harassment is like calling the moon a "space rock" - technically true I guess, but missing the magnitude.

Citation. On the swatting I hope we are not believing MTG now.. that would be doubley ironic Also there is a big difference between actions of people that also happen to be members of a website and activity taking place on the website. I abhor third party liability In the case os 8chan and daily stormer they were banned for actions and content on the site. Not for actions of people that may be affiliated with the sit…

The London police arrested a trans activist and later apologized after she was targeted by kiwi farms.

https://london.ctvnews.ca/doxed-transgender-activist-twitch-...

There's one citation.

Byuu/Near, the author of the incredible bsnes project, was harassed to suicide by kiwi farms.

https://kotaku.com/the-brilliant-snes-emulator-creator-known...

The site posted the video and manifesto of the Christchurch shooting.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/website-kiwi-farms...

So there, three different citations that, themselves link out to other news and reputable primary sources showing the site, including the owner of the site, are involved in stochastic terrorism and, quote, "the exploitation of the mentally handicapped for amusement".

Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by killyourcar »

Banana699 wrote: post #959
killyourcar wrote: post #855

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I use a gender neutral restroom, but our office has none. ... Political? I use they/them pronouns, and I ask politely for others to use them... Political? Cause I've been told that being a queer person is political. I don't think it is, it's just... Who I am. People who say no politics at work generally have never had to think about how some identities are perceived as innately political.

>I use a gender neutral restroom, but our office has none. ... Political? Yes, don't use the bathroom at office. >I use they/them pronouns, and I ask politely for others to use them... Political? Absolutely, it is the very visible agenda of a very loud political machine. It's nothing but political. It can be an example of "political, n." in a dictionary. That said, you don't need to be fired over everything political…

Incredible.

Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by trennep »

killyourcar wrote: post #971
phpisthebest wrote: post #950

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citation. On the swatting I hope we are not believing MTG now.. that would be doubley ironic Also there is a big difference between actions of people that also happen to be members of a website and activity taking place on the website. I abhor third party liability In the case os 8chan and daily stormer they were banned for actions and content on the site. Not for actions of people that may be affiliated with the sit…

The London police arrested a trans activist and later apologized after she was targeted by kiwi farms. https://london.ctvnews.ca/doxed-transgender-activist-twitch-... There's one citation. Byuu/Near, the author of the incredible bsnes project, was harassed to suicide by kiwi farms. https://kotaku.com/the-brilliant-snes-emulator-creator-known... The site posted the video and manifesto of the Christchurch shooting. htt…

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Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by trennep »

killyourcar wrote: post #970
MockObject wrote: post #943

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As someone who fears and despises Kiwi Farms, I would be dishonest if I didn't recognize the slippery slope certainty that the bar of acceptability would decrease over the next few years.

You realize the fallacy here, right? Terminating commercial agreements with three origins of stochastic terrorism is not some ratchet towards new speak. It's just three cases where Cloudflare decided that sheltering terrorism wasn't in their best interest.

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Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by trennep »

killyourcar wrote: post #861
Khaine wrote: post #820

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Joshua Moon, the owner of Kiwifarms was on Rekieta Law[1] and provided his view that kiwi farms did not cause these suicides [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP92u3ld1-w

I can see no reason why the owner of kiwi farms would want to believe that kiwi farms wasn't directly responsible for suicides (and terrorism via swatting). /s Of course kiwi farms caused those suicides.

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Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by brazzledazzle »

Akronymus wrote: post #909
Borgz wrote: post #27

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8chan users radicalize each other and encourage each other to commit mass shootings. KiwiFarms users post the personal information of people and encourage each other to harass them to the point of suicide. I don't see how they aren't comparable.

> KiwiFarms users post the personal information of people and encourage each other to harass them to the point of suicide. Both of those things are EXPLICITLY against the rules and are heavily enforced. They only take public information and are point and laugh, but don't touch. Reprehensible for sure, but your portrayal isn't accurate.

That’s a technicality and you know it. No one is stupid enough to believe they’re posting this personal information to laugh at it, right? What’s funny about a phone number and or a street address?

Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by Melatonic »

krapp wrote: post #592
Melatonic wrote: post #577

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I think this brings up an important topic though that we need to grapple with as a society - at what point do we recognize that we NEED public services related to the internet? Something similar to basic Cloudflare but run as a public service by the government that is free to all might be a good thing to have. If there are majorly amoral actors that use it we should be going after them for their crimes (from a legal…

>Something similar to basic Cloudflare but run as a public service by the government that is free to all might be a good thing to have. Until the government decides your content no longer deserves protection because of your politics or religion or whatever. This is the same problem as government "regulating" social media companies and forcing them to publish certain kinds of speech against their will, which people al…

I do not think that the government needs to be the ONLY source of this public service. Cloudflare of course can still exist as a private company. The government would just provide a "free" public service to those that need it.

Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by afiori »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #498
afiori wrote: post #394

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Right now their server can simply block all IPs and all certs not from Cloudflare. Firewalls resists DDoS better than web servers and DBs

If they allowlist Cloudflare IP addresses, they should be careful that list only includes the IPs of the caching servers, and not of the exit nodes for the free WARP VPN service. These both share the same AS number, I think. I’m not sure if Cloudflare segregates WARP traffic or publishes a list of WARP exit IP addresses. Aside: It’s not that simple of a problem, is it? Because there’s also CF workers, which execute o…

Yes, my comment was oversimplified, it would be a bad idea not to coordinate with CF on a measure like this.

Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by afiori »

killyourcar wrote: post #855
afiori wrote: post #351

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Topics that cause disagreements not related to the job can be classified as personal and/or political. We should not take X as client, they are bad -> political We should not take X as client, my ex work there -> political We should not take X as client, they are unreliable with payments -> not political We should not take X as client, clients W, Y, and Z will drop us -> not political

I use a gender neutral restroom, but our office has none. ... Political? I use they/them pronouns, and I ask politely for others to use them... Political? Cause I've been told that being a queer person is political. I don't think it is, it's just... Who I am. People who say no politics at work generally have never had to think about how some identities are perceived as innately political.

I don't recommend doing this; it would likely result in an hellscape of a thought bubble.

It was in a way to show that banning politics at work could produce paradoxical results.

I personally see only 4 answers:

- nothing is political

- everything is political

- it is political if I say that it is political

- we submit to someone else opinion to answer this question

And you might notice that answer 4 is just 3 in disguise.

My conclusion is that political / non-political is not a useful dichotomy

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