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Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by BizarroLand »

beezischillin wrote: post #883

This is part of a wider trend in the corporate internet of getting rid of visible user interaction to stop publicising user opinion. News publications have slowly gotten rid of comments sections, Google itself (an entity quite close to the USG) is following suit. Of course I suspect that the idea here is less about creator choice, since they can already hide and filter user interaction to their hearts content and mor…

Yep. Corporations are working hard to turn the internet into broadcast TV, back when the broadcaster had all the power and you took what they gave you and you liked it because you didn't have a choice.

What is the average person going to do now that they have a dopamine response addiction to instant feedback and immediate knowledge at their fingertips? Read a book? Go for a walk where they're not constantly scouting for a situation where they can take a picture and receive happy brain chemicals from thousands of people?

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by uejfiweun »

blumomo wrote: post #888

Who is afraid of what and why? Here's my view: Removing down voting is FAANG's (=big corps) and MSM's reaction of many users down voting (in my eyes rightfully so) videos from public institutions who spread nothing else than propaganda. FAANG and MSM are now afraid that this sentiment contaminates other citizens.

Ding ding ding! This is right on the money. The next time that some admin hack comes out talking about "transitory inflation", there will be no high dislike count to undermine the message. It's all about keeping us unquestioning and obedient. Anyone who thinks this is remotely related to "protecting creators" is delusional.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by smitop »

jeffalo wrote: post #425

> Those in the experiment could still see and use the public dislike button, but because the count was not visible to them, we found that they were less likely to target a video’s dislike button to drive up the count. I don't understand this part. So, hiding the dislike count means less people will dislike. Then what's the point of disliking a video? It provides much less feedback to a creator than just commenting, i…

BTW, you appear to be shadowbanned: many of your comments and all but one submission show as [dead] to me (although some of your comments have been vouched for, which unkills them).

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by da39a3ee »

ryanisnan wrote: post #661
inChargeOfIT wrote: post #647

This will make the site useless for finding new content and content creators. And what's the point of a Like count without a Dislike count? I'll just assume every video has as many, if not more, dislikes and will turn to other sources for finding quality content (if at all). And they might as well get rid of the comments section too cause that's where people will voice their opinions.. but maybe that's part of the pl…

Completely - What does 13,478 likes mean if 1,000,000,000 people have viewed the video, and 20,104,189 people disliked it. Batshit stupid.

This comment is the key isn't it?

If someone tells you there's an election in some province of a country that you know nothing about, and they tell you there were two candidates A and B, and they tell you that candidate A received 17,652 votes, do you not need to know the total number of votes cast in order to assess the election results? I always thought you did.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by josteink »

dotancohen wrote: post #913
dotancohen wrote: post #879

> You can still dislike videos to further personalize and tune your recommendations. If I come across a low-quality rip of Dark Side of the Moon and dislike it, will Youtube recommend to me less Pink Floyd or less low quality rips? What if I dislike that horrible Barenboim performance of Beethoven's Ninth? Will I get less Beethoven or less horrible performances? What about reports of Israel killing Gazan children, wh…

I just went to Youtube's homepage for the first time in ages, to see what it would recommend for me. I saw maybe a dozen suggested videos just to check it out. And I would say that all but two had either a misleading title or a misleading thumbnail. These are things directly related to my interests: self defense, computer security, lockpicking, spaceflight, physics, automobiles. But other than the young man talking a…

Welcome to monetised platforms with a “infinite” global reach.

People are going to game it. They are going to cheat.

Especially when the platform itself allows it. But hey! “Small creators!”, right?

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by josteink »

akersten wrote: post #810
hstan4 wrote: post #686

> Creators: You’ll still be able to find your exact dislike counts in YouTube Studio for each video–only if you’d like to. What creator that wants to produce high quality content wouldn’t want to see how their videos are performing? Total lunacy. All this in response to “dislike attacks” which are likely extremely uncommon. > it’s an important step to reduce behavior that aims to silence and harass creators Can someo…

> pushing a button that says you dislike the content is silencing or harassing the creator? Part of the toxic positivity movement recently has been to re-frame everything disagreeable as a personal attack against them, using words like "silence" and "invalidate" to manufacture outrage. It's concerning to see this terminology permeate into corporate lingo now too...

Also verbal disagreement is presented as equal to physical violence. It’s been going on for quite a while and getting increasingly absurd.

Surely the pendulum must start turning soon?

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by garfieldnate »

I dislike the information asymmetry this creates between the poster of a video and its viewers. 100K likes serves implicitly as a kind of social proof; no one but the poster gets to know if it also has 80K dislikes. So it's quite easy and natural to look at a video and think that it has some kind of societal approval. It would have been better to hide the number of likes, too.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by krapp »

Pxtl wrote: post #480
summerlight wrote: post #263

As usual, HN users are making lots of interesting assumptions (some comments to a conspiracy level) on the intention here... But in the reality, there are many smaller creators who is frequently being harassed by trolls (have you heard about those young Chinese patriots trolling over Korean and Japanese channels?) and one of their tool is the dislike button. And creators have been complaining about this for many year…

Seriously, the level of conspiracy-theory replies to this post is shocking. Like, this is below-reddit-level discourse. This is borderline Q stuff. And I know HN has moderation because I've been told off for flamewars. What gives?

You're allowed to be batshit insane on Hacker News so long as you maintain a civil tone, and don't bore the mods (don't be crazy and repetitive - be a quirky new kind of crazy every time you rant about whatever triggers you.)

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by Dylan16807 »

aww_dang wrote: post #941
ddingus wrote: post #785

Hiding the dislike info on POTUS seems important now. Hiding the dislike info on CNN seems important now. Public trust in government is low. Public trust in corporate media is low. It's been policy to manufacture consent in the US for quite a while now. Hard to say this move isn't more of the same, and it's equally hard to say it helps more than it hurts too.

It was funny when Baidu censored Winnie-the-Pooh memes. When YT censored "Let's go Brandon" videos, I chuckled, but the humor was darker. Now they are hiding downvotes. On the US "National News" YT channel, almost all of the promoted videos are downvoted. I'm always amazed at the discrepancy between what's promoted in the MSM and where popular opinion is. Meanwhile top podcasters routinely trounce MSM viewership rati…

> When YT censored "Let's go Brandon" videos, I chuckled, but the humor was darker.

They did what?

Oh, this song? Okay that's video rather than videos which makes a big difference. Not great, agreed.

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