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Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by scoopertrooper »

ahahahahah wrote: post #224
subsubzero wrote: post #55

This still seems like a huge disconnect to what people use youtube for vs. what google thinks it should be used for. Google wants youtube to be all network and brands making content. ie. a future version of what TV is now. What actual people want is creator made videos(diy/review/podcast videos and everything else that make youtube wonderful). This disconnect has been happening since google bought youtube and this re…

It sounds like you read the headline and came to post your already held views on Google and Youtube hoping that it would be relevant. From the article: > We’ve also heard directly from smaller creators, and those just getting started with their YouTube channel, that they are unfairly targeted by dislike attacks. Our experiment data confirmed that this behavior does occur at a higher proportion on smaller channels.

If that was truly their primary concern, why wouldn't they limit the scope of the change to smaller creators? Could it be that they were looking for a post-hoc justification for a desired policy change?

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by summerlight »

As usual, HN users are making lots of interesting assumptions (some comments to a conspiracy level) on the intention here...

But in the reality, there are many smaller creators who is frequently being harassed by trolls (have you heard about those young Chinese patriots trolling over Korean and Japanese channels?) and one of their tool is the dislike button. And creators have been complaining about this for many years, so I would say in fact YT was super lazy on this particular issue, but at least better late than never...

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by otrahuevada »

yellowbanana wrote: post #203
otrahuevada wrote: post #148

I mean, if a multi-month, google-scale experiment says it helps, it... probably does? But I'd personally like to see more get done to the robot likes/dislikes thing than this. You know, that thing where a video has 100 views but 150 likes+dislikes? It's simply too annoying to me.

This is attacking a problem that happens 1% of the time to ruin experience for the 99% of the time. => I mean, if a multi-month, google-scale experiment says it helps, it... probably does? Helps who? Youtube user incentives are not necessary alligned the with company incentives. If it helps by making you a "peaceful" consumer who can't assess on average how other people think. Maybe it is good for youtube but is it g…

Given that they've decided to go ahead and remove it, I'd wager that the amount of people for which the public dislike count of a video is the one thing that makes their visit worthwhile is not huge.

Also, publishers still get to see it, it's only viewers that won't. Which probably means we'll all have to engage a lot more with the algorithm to route around garbage, but I kind of do that already so I'm not convinced it's a dealbreaker.

> Helps who?

>> "Earlier this year, we experimented with the dislike count to see whether or not changes could help better protect creators from harassment, and reduce dislike attacks – where people work to drive up the number of dislikes on a creator’s videos"

Creators, apparently.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by yellowbanana »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #170

What's stopping me posting "Upvote to dislike this" as a comment on every video I dislike. Cowardly move that's being presented as one thing but really there is a deeper message here.

They can just disable comments ( the poster of the video )

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by ghosty141 »

qwertox wrote: post #4

Hmm. For me the dislike button was informative. If feels like they are trying to create a world where everything can only be good, better, even more better, which just doesn't represent reality. Imagine Stack Overflow only having the option to upvote Questions and Answers. The ratio of likes vs dislikes of a TED talk does help me to decide if I should stop watching a video which just isn't getting better.

I think this shows what standpoint Google has in this: The dislike button is not supposed to be used by the user, but rather the creator.

You as a user should watch the video no matter what and then rate the creator, not skip it if you see a large amount of dislikes.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by numpad0 »

Supermancho wrote: post #82
varelse wrote: post #68

Sounds like a call to duty to hit the dislike button if even slightly inclined to do so going forward.

As long as you don't mind how it will affect the suggestion algorithm. The most maddening thing is when a video is of the correct topic of my interest, but I know it includes misinformation as well. If I dislike, it biases against seeing more of this topic. If I like, it might bias toward the misinformation. In practice, regardless, it seems to default rely on "leftwing vs rightwing" tags until it gets confused enoug…

Just mash that dislikes until there is no more content creators with anything remotely uncomfortable to you. Unsarcastically. Let the algorithm designers spend their life struggling to deduce what they could ask you in plain human language for immediate response. I'm guessing that is how engineer performance is measured and rewarded for there.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by kingcharles »

qwertox wrote: post #4

Hmm. For me the dislike button was informative. If feels like they are trying to create a world where everything can only be good, better, even more better, which just doesn't represent reality. Imagine Stack Overflow only having the option to upvote Questions and Answers. The ratio of likes vs dislikes of a TED talk does help me to decide if I should stop watching a video which just isn't getting better.

In New World Order everything is doubleplusgood.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by paulpauper »

winternett wrote: post #218
louissan wrote: post #110

I find this pathetic. As if the removal of the "dislike button" helps in any way, shape or form to create a more "inclusive" environment. This reeks of the silencing of what is perceived as dissident voices, is all. I've personally never hit a like or dislike button in my life, never will ... but found it interesting as a viewer to see the ratio. Even knowing this ratio is probably at least partially the outcome of b…

It's the exact same move that reddit made years ago, and it enabled a new era of online brigading and fake credibility/popularity for content shown on pages. If you can't see downvotes on content, there is no way of determining how misleading the content may be. It also disguises cases where a creator may be getting harassed or bullied by others. The beginning of the end of being able to trust YouTube stats (as if th…

misleading/bad content can get up-votes too though
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