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YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Post by cblconfederate »

Nesze wrote: post #362

Age old follow-up question. Who decides what anti-vaccine content is? Who is going to draw the fine line? How simple (i.e. black and white) is to make this distinction? Do you trust that person / entity making these decisions for you and your peers? But even without defending free speach, looks to me that when you start censoring you just create multiple new problems with zero solution. So even from a design point of…

youtube employees.

Even if they create a panel of "external experts", the responsibility for it should fall squarely on Youtube. Enough with the big tech deflection

Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Post by abcdeee »

judahmeek wrote: post #913
xkbarkar wrote: post #594

> Months ago he was insisting that the people who had contracted COVID-19 and who had antibodies in their system may not need the vaccine. Now, we have a number of studies coming out to support that. But months ago that was "anti-vax" (employing the slanderous use of the term). I live in Iceland. Recovery from cov-sars-2 infection is considered as valid as a vaccine here. The same goes for Norway and ( to the best of…

> I can still very much catch cov-sars-2 and still very much infect and kill another fully vaccinated vulnerable human being. You just admitted that vaccinations decreased hospitalizations, which means that vaccinations decreased the severity of infections, which means that vaccinations decreased the chances of someone who is vaccinated from dying after getting infected

Yes, he also explicitly admitted that in his comment. So not much of a gotcha.

Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Post by pvaldes »

Self defense against people that want you dead is not censorship.

The rumor spreaders are clearly trying to do the maximum damage as possible in the society for money. Many of them ended being victims of the virus also, so nobody can't claim ignorance at this point or say that they were just joking. If they can't understand even the most basic facts explained by science is their problem, not twitter's problem or society's problem. Science is real. Deal with it.

The snake puppeteers poisoning and driving this people to their own demise are evil. Twitter is not obligated to help them to kill more people.

Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Post by raxxorrax »

jlebar wrote: post #372

It's ironic (or maybe not?) that the comments section here is filled with exactly the kind of anti-vax misinformation that YouTube is trying to take down. To respond to one point I keep reading in here over and over: Getting and recovering from covid does not necessarily give you better protection from disease than getting the vaccine. 1/3 of people who get covid develop no antibodies at all, as compared to 0% of (no…

If you recover from Covid it isn't really important how many antibodies you have. The important part is what indications the disease triggered. You have shifted this on antibody count without necessity. That is misinformation. We are talking about immunity, which can also mean that you do not need antibodies at all. On the contrary, Covid was healed with the first line of immune defense.

> the thing that we were trying to avoid

I think we need to be more precise now because of the shift: We do not want it to be dangerous. You are spreading misinformation or at least medically incorrect information.

Ironic indeed.

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Post by raxxorrax »

heartbreak wrote: post #853
jlebar wrote: post #372

It's ironic (or maybe not?) that the comments section here is filled with exactly the kind of anti-vax misinformation that YouTube is trying to take down. To respond to one point I keep reading in here over and over: Getting and recovering from covid does not necessarily give you better protection from disease than getting the vaccine. 1/3 of people who get covid develop no antibodies at all, as compared to 0% of (no…

This community thrives on contrarianism.

The comment was also technically wrong. Let us not fall to a level were we ascribe character values to others.

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Post by machiaweliczny »

prohobo wrote: post #301
mabbo wrote: post #112

YouTube is a private company, not a public service. Anti-vax is not a protected class of people, and so there is no law that says YouTube cannot discriminate against them. As a company, they've decided to take this path. They don't have to justify it. If that makes you angry, boycott them. Don't conduct business with them, which includes watching their content and ads. And if you think that YouTube is large enough an…

You're right; but I just want to point out that most people arguing against these actions hold this principle despite their visceral reaction. Two things can be true: YouTube (and Google) have way too much power and are destructive to democracy, AND they have the right to be that way. The point is that people believe they shouldn't have that right.

> have the right to be that way.

Not for long. I think they pissed off Republicans a tiny bit too much.

Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Post by machiaweliczny »

the_snooze wrote: post #59
rafaelturk wrote: post #34

As much I condemn anti-vaxxers: “I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it”

They still have every right to say what they want. YouTube also has the right not to aid them. This is the information version of "You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here."

YT is monopoly

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Post by machiaweliczny »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #966
afarrell wrote: post #83

If I recall correctly, the internet was born from a DARPA project to enable resilient communications that would ensure a nuclear missile launch order would always get through. If so, then it is indeed contrary to the spirit of the internet to block messages on the basis that they guide people to actions which cause harm to existing structures. The internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it. My ques…

youtube isn't the internet. Why should you or I be able to tell Youtube want to host on their own servers? If we don't like it we can go to other services.

Can we? I don't think so.

Network effects are too strong.

Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Post by machiaweliczny »

landryraccoon wrote: post #447

Here's a thought experiment. Suppose we were at war with a hostile adversary, and that adversary had killed over 700,000 people already, and thousands more each day. I can scarcely believe that any reasonable person would argue that blocking propaganda or misinformation that harms the war effort would be an egregious imposition on free speech. Once the imminent threat is over, those efforts can and should stop, but n…

And maybe that's good? We are already slowing evolution and dissolving good genes due to modern conviniences.
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