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YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Post by gwbas1c »

lmilcin wrote: post #15

"Freedom of speech is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction. The right to freedom of expression has been recognized as a human right in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and international human rights law by the United Nations." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech https…

> What I think is needed is people spending more time to figure out how it is possible to reconcile fight against misinformation with preserving basic human right which is ability to express your opinion.

Simple: The right to free speech doesn't mean people have to listen, or guarantee access to a publisher. You can self-publish all you want.

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Post by EL_Loco »

rflec028 wrote: post #6

A global conglomerate seeking to carry out an agenda and censoring dissenting opinions, credible and conspiracy alike? Color me surprised.

So if you have a video site like Youtube, you can take down whatever content you like, and that's cool. However, if you become very successful, and attract many viewers, than it's no longer like that. Now you can choose what you let on your site. Is HN pro censorship? I mean, stuff HN doesn't want posted here can, and does get taken down by its moderators. You're just not complaining because HN isn't huge?

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Post by afarrell »

If I recall correctly, the internet was born from a DARPA project to enable resilient communications that would ensure a nuclear missile launch order would always get through.

If so, then it is indeed contrary to the spirit of the internet to block messages on the basis that they guide people to actions which cause harm to existing structures. The internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.

My question is: How wise is the spirit of the internet? Does it lead to human flourishing?

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Post by rscoots »

kkoncevicius wrote: post #69

The article is pay-walled to me. But I am interested - do they mention where the line for being "anti-vaccine" currently is? For example - is someone who is making a video about why he/she will not be taking a 3rd booster shot anti-vaccine and therefore banned?

That line is hidden and opaque by design.

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Post by FirstLvR »

josh_today wrote: post #38

“ YouTube will ban any videos that claim that commonly used vaccines approved by health authorities are ineffective” So speaking truth can get me banned from YouTube? • Infections happen in only a small proportion of people who are fully vaccinated, even with the Delta variant. When these infections occur among vaccinated people, they tend to be mild. • If you are fully vaccinated and become infected with the Delta v…

The problem witch vaccines is that makes YOU more resistant to the virus, while other people around can still be infected

So as long as people are not getting vaccinated everyone should keep using masks and keep social distance. Following that idea anti vax movements are more dangerous than we initially think.

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Post by dongping »

IgorPartola wrote: post #53
afavour wrote: post #40

Time for repeat showing of the free speech debate we’ve already had a dozen times, whoopee! As ever, IMO, the problem isn’t the hosting or the banning, it’s the algorithms. I don’t care whether YouTube hosts anti-vaccine activists, I care that they actively promote anti-vaccine content to users simply because it’s proven to get clicks and earn them money. Bans like this look incredibly stupid when you realise YouTube…

Let me reframe: let’s say that YouTube hosts anti-vax content and as a result some percentage of people are swayed by this content to not vaccinate themselves or their children. Some percentage of them dies. Let’s say in absolute numbers it is 10,000 people. Do you think that YouTube did a good thing by allowing that content?

Or this way, let’s say that YouTube hosts earlier anti-mask content from Dr. Fauci/CDC and as a result some percentage of people are swayed by this content to not wear mask. Some percentage of them dies.

Do you think that YouTube did a good thing by allowing that content?

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Post by Jimmc414 »

IgorPartola wrote: post #67
Jimmc414 wrote: post #51

The problem is that questions about the vaccine are being labeled as anti-vaccine. Real data about the side effects of the vaccine constitutes science not anti-vax propaganda. It is distressing that supporters of informed consent are being lumped in with QAnon.

Maybe YouTube isn’t the best place to discuss results of scientific inquiry?

Why not?

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Post by seanhunter »

wepple wrote: post #64

Can anyone recommend a good book on the balance between free speech versus disallowing harmful ideas to propagate? Or even one book from each side of the argument? I don’t think I’ve even begun to comprehend a robust position on what might make sense, or the arguments involved.

"The Open Society and its Enemies" by Karl Popper would be one thought-provoking contribution on this topic.

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Post by hef19898 »

rafaelturk wrote: post #34

As much I condemn anti-vaxxers: “I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it”

"Your freedom to swing your fist stops where my nose begins". This anti-vaxx BS is already posing, or at least aggrevating, a serious public health issue. If it was just for the anti-vaxxers, I wouldn't care. It is affecting their children and people that simply cannot get the vaccine. At which point their freedom of reach (not necessarily expression, as far as I know their demonstrations are allowed) has to take the backseat when it comes to other people's health.
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