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> I've tried to understand the core issue and frankly, failed It's quite straight forward. Up until WWI, Jews, Christians, and Muslims lived in Palestine, which it and other areas of Arabia and North Africa were under Ottoman rule. During WWI, Sykes–Picot divided up the Muslim lands into arbitrary borders to make them easier to occupy. Syria was occupied by the French, Libya by the Italians, etc. Palestine was under…
…and how exactly are they supposed to “get back their rightful land”?
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> All we have is other people apologizing on their behalf with speculative redemption Yup, I'm a little disturbed that people jump to defending him to a degree that borders on reinterpreting history. Eg: > Someone who wrote a racist or anti-Semitic comment in 2007 could have evolved to deeper understanding Ok. Is there any evidence this specific person did? Did he apologize? Did his public writing change substantiall…
My friend, it is not about _this_ person specifically, but an attitude to everybody. Maybe this person did not change, maybe they did. But we need to assume good faith when we can, else we do nothing but divide people even further. Imagine yourself in a situation where you’ve probably done something stupid, realise that it is stupid and wish to be forgiven. Wouldn’t you like that someone asks you first “have you unde…
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> All we have is other people apologizing on their behalf with speculative redemption Yup, I'm a little disturbed that people jump to defending him to a degree that borders on reinterpreting history. Eg: > Someone who wrote a racist or anti-Semitic comment in 2007 could have evolved to deeper understanding Ok. Is there any evidence this specific person did? Did he apologize? Did his public writing change substantiall…
My friend, it is not about _this_ person specifically, but an attitude to everybody. Maybe this person did not change, maybe they did. But we need to assume good faith when we can, else we do nothing but divide people even further. Imagine yourself in a situation where you’ve probably done something stupid, realise that it is stupid and wish to be forgiven. Wouldn’t you like that someone asks you first “have you unde…
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> All we have is other people apologizing on their behalf with speculative redemption Yup, I'm a little disturbed that people jump to defending him to a degree that borders on reinterpreting history. Eg: > Someone who wrote a racist or anti-Semitic comment in 2007 could have evolved to deeper understanding Ok. Is there any evidence this specific person did? Did he apologize? Did his public writing change substantiall…
My friend, it is not about _this_ person specifically, but an attitude to everybody. Maybe this person did not change, maybe they did. But we need to assume good faith when we can, else we do nothing but divide people even further. Imagine yourself in a situation where you’ve probably done something stupid, realise that it is stupid and wish to be forgiven. Wouldn’t you like that someone asks you first “have you unde…
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More like a proper social response to bad behavior. We can't keep hiding from the truth, especially when we live in an interconnected world where other people don't have to agree to forget.
Just to remind you that your binary, i.e. inhumane, way of thinking is permanently documented here as well. I hope you regret this comment one day when the same binary approach is applied to you as well. People are expected to change today - and that's why people go in and out of jail. But in the liberal world view, everybody (except the oppressed) is evil! Even when the oppressed is a cold blooded killer, it's an ex…
I mean, you sound like you think you have moral clarity to denounce someone as inhumane, and I guess this is how you lead in your conversational style.
I'm talking about a technologically interconnected world where other nations and parties never have to agree to forget anything.
Either we decide to excommunicate or suppress every nation and party that chooses to remember, or we decide what it means to coexist with those who remember. The humane way to do things is to decide how we should treat each other despite flaws, not stamp out every nation or peoples in the world that seeks to remember forever.
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> I'm a Jew (by heritage, though not by belief) I never understood that concept. The idea that Judaism is transmitted from lineage is itself only a belief of Judaism. If you don't believe in Judaism there is no reason to believe in this particular fiction. This specific feature is obviously a hack on the reproductivity of the meme. There is no Judaism gene, it's not transmittable, it's not an ethnicity.
> I never understood that concept. No problem! It certainly doesn't make sense if one approaches it from a Western Christian mindset. I am not trying to imply that is how you are approaching it, rather I mention this because Judaism often gets compared to Christianity, but I think they are quite different. It is better to think of Judaism as a tribe. Membership to this tribe is mainly given under two conditions: thro…
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>Someone who wrote a racist or anti-Semitic comment in 2007 could have evolved to deeper understanding Perhaps but i don't feel they deserve the benefit of the doubt.
There exist former KKK members. Former neonazis. Former Trump supporters. People learn. https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/544861933/how-one-man-convinc... Maybe this person didn’t, and it is not appropriate to hold the head of diversity title. But if they’re doing everything right, and do represent diverse workforce, then is “not having had anti-Semitic views 14 years ago” a job requirement? What do the Jewish/POC colle…
I definitely wouldn't want to work at Google with this guy in management. Sorry, but I'm just not interested in having my "insatiable appetite for war" touted as an asset to a diverse, equitable, and inclusive workplace.
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The people change defense obviously doesn't work for Damore, who was fired over his actions while employed at Google Lots of weird comments in this thread.
Yeah, I don't have a very strong opinion on Damore, but the two situations are clearly not the same. One was published 14 years ago and another was published in the same week where it blew up.
Right, so in one case, the company clearly ought to have known he was an antisemite before hiring him as Chief of Diversity. In the other, the company was hiring for a technical role and didn't bother asking about his political or social views.
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Which begs the question, how does one go from that blog post to a diversity officer at one of the most famous Corporations in the world?
But this is all very consistent. Most people noticed many years ago that the people who most loudly claim to be fighting racism are always huge racists themselves. This is so common, and so obvious, the only reason it's attracting attention at all is because somewhat unusually it's Jews who are the target today, instead of white men. If the same quote about war had been made with white men instead of Jews nobody at G…
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I don’t see how his words based on the article were anti Semitic. They were anti Israel. And I find that you and everyone here and at google are having a hard time distinguishing between the two. Further based on the other comment to this post he was quite an activist. Fighting for rights of the racially oppressed and in minority. He went against white people and Israel? He is not racist. He is just anti majority dom…
> I don’t see how his words based on the article were anti Semitic. They were anti Israel. And I find that you and everyone here and at google are having a hard time distinguishing between the two. People are having a hard time distinguishing between the two because he had a hard time distinguishing between the two. Saying "If I was a {memberOf(someOrganization)}, I'd be concerned about how {adjective} I am," is call…
Also, notice how he writes that self-defense is an instinct. As in, he doesn't actually think self-defense is, prima facie, morally justifiable. He actually thinks you need to sit and ask yourself, "Am I the baddie, for existing?", if you are Jewish.