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Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by hagbard_c »

crocowhile wrote: post #952
hagbard_c wrote: post #950

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell me, oh sage, how it was possible to become a hacker before "capitalism" created the computers needed to do so? And no, hacking was not "an extremely political and ideological movement", it was (and is) the a[c,r]t of going down as deep the rabbit hole of whatever the was to be hacked as time and the hole allowed to see what lurks there. The term was eventually co-opted by the media - not "capitalism" - to identi…

The hacker philosophy did not even start with computers, it started with rail models and lock picking. Read a book every now and then. And please don't fall in the trap that capitalism created things. Science and engineering creates things. Capitalism makes them more accessible, at a price that is often heavily confounded by externalities.

Ah yes, I knew someone would go there, though 'shall I mention that hacking did not start with computers nor with railways but when the first person with a suitable frame of mind dedicated himself to getting the best axe or arrow head out of a piece of flint no matter how much effort it would take' but decided against it, surely they'd understand? Clearly not. Read a book indeed, preferably more than one.

How does 'science and engineering' create things without the funds and the drive to do so? How do you think science-as-a-profession got started?

Stop throwing about those silly slogans - muh capitalism bad - and start thinking for real. Realise that you're able to discuss on this here site thanks to 'capitalism'. If you want to play revolutionary that's fine but at least realise what it is that gives you the opportunity do to so.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by 0dayz »

gentleman11 wrote: post #742
pinkmuffinere wrote: post #416

Wow, and the only restrictions Anthropic asked for are (1) no mass domestic surveillance and (2) require human-in-the-loop for killing [1]. Those seem exceptionally reasonable, and even rather weak, lol :| [1] https://www.anthropic.com/news/statement-department-of-war

Trump doesn't want another election to happen. He needs some powerful tools to ensure that happens, ie, massive scale ai surveillance and manipulation. Eg, like Xi uses in China. I bet anyone here he starts a war as his excuse

Your bet has come out to be true.

It's pretty clear that Trump wants to maximize his take over of USA for himself.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by Schmerika »

anigbrowl wrote: post #771
_fat_santa wrote: post #230

The disconnect here for me is, I assume the DoW and Anthropic signed a contract at some point and that contract most likely stipulated that these are the things they can do and these are the things they can't do. I would assume the original terms the DoW is now railing against were in those original contracts that they signed. In that case it looks like the DoW is acting in bad faith here, they signed the original co…

The administration's approach to contracts, agreements, treaties and so on could be summed up as 'I am altering the deal. Pray I do not alter it further.' The basic problem in our polity is that we've collectively transferred the guilty pleasure of aligning a charismatic villain in fiction to doing the same in real life. The top echelons of our government are occupied by celebrities and influencers whose expertise is…

And as an aside to this: even the people coopting the rebel iconography are supporting genocide, atrocities and war crimes.

Like, Mark Hamill himself is a massive Israel + Biden supporter [0].

Guys, George Lucas didn't make the Empire thinking about Trump, or Republicans. He made it about America.

0 - https://www.nme.com/news/film/hollywood-stars-sign-open-lett...

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by DivingForGold »

_fat_santa wrote: post #230

The disconnect here for me is, I assume the DoW and Anthropic signed a contract at some point and that contract most likely stipulated that these are the things they can do and these are the things they can't do. I would assume the original terms the DoW is now railing against were in those original contracts that they signed. In that case it looks like the DoW is acting in bad faith here, they signed the original co…

If anyone is the epitomy of arrogance, it is Hegseth.

No doubt the US Gov't will be using A I to perform automated military strikes without human supervision. and spying on US citizens (which they already have been doing for decades now).

Look no further than the case of patriot Mark Klein, a former AT&T technician, exposed a massive NSA surveillance program in 2006, revealing that AT&T allowed the government to intercept, copy, and monitor massive amounts of American internet traffic. Klein discovered a secret, NSA-controlled room—Room 641A—inside an AT&T facility in San Francisco, which acted as a splitter for internet traffic.

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Post by base76 »

kittikitti wrote: post #684
hoppoli wrote: post #510

American people: latinamerican here. Maybe it's silly to root for a country in the world hegemony arena. I've usually been partial to the USA over China. Now I'm not rooting for your country anymore. As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather have China being the foremost power, at least they seem to be less keen on invading or heavily strong-arming latinamerica

American here, I would much rather have China being the foremost power too. This saga with Anthropic shows just how clueless these AI companies are. This soap opera has to stop, none of these CEO's, officials from the Trump administration, or the Department of War are good for humanity. I've read the ethics policies that China that they released on generative AI and it's years ahead of anything we have in America. Ch…

The cynicism is earned. But "nobody is good for humanity" is where analysis stops.

  What's actually happening is a jurisdictional split forming in real time. The US is pricing out companies that won't remove human oversight from weapons systems. That's not a soap opera — 
  it's a policy signal with long-term consequences for where frontier AI development lands geographically.                                                                                  

  Europe isn't perfect. But it's the only major jurisdiction actively building the governance infrastructure to keep humans in the loop by law, not by goodwill. That matters when goodwill
  runs out — which, as you note, it tends to do.

  The people building that alternative aren't the CEOs in Washington. Worth knowing they exist.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by RGamma »

Gigachad wrote: post #69
cperciva wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were two red lines, as I understand it -- first, automated kill bots, and second, mass surveillance.

I guess the problem for Trump is if he orders the army to gun down protesters, there’s a good chance they will refuse to do it. While a bot can just be prompted to go ahead.

Crazy to think how Deus Ex: Human revolution might have gotten the timeline right. Except there's no human augmentation and there won't be citizen fighting four-legged robot police in 2027 Detroit with molotov cocktails: they'll only hear a disconcerting buzz coming at them with ludicrous speed before eternal darkness.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by dustinmr »

_fat_santa wrote: post #230

The disconnect here for me is, I assume the DoW and Anthropic signed a contract at some point and that contract most likely stipulated that these are the things they can do and these are the things they can't do. I would assume the original terms the DoW is now railing against were in those original contracts that they signed. In that case it looks like the DoW is acting in bad faith here, they signed the original co…

It’s the Department of Defense

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Post by hirako2000 »

xpe wrote: post #904
hirako2000 wrote: post #592

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't just unplug the thing and use something else. Obviously the DoD would not want limited use. Strange they don't make their own given their specific needs.

> Obviously the DoD would not want limited use. I agree in this sense: Hegseth's Dept. of War doesn't want any restrictions. I'll try to make the case this is self-defeating, assuming one has genuine, long-term national interests at the front of mind (which I think is lacking or at least confused in Hegseth). Historically, other (wiser) SecDefs would decide more carefully. They are aware when their actions would posi…

I agree with the damage. Not simply an unwise spokesman though. It's the trend in the entire administration, or one should identify as the United States slide into less sugar coating, if any.

We will kidnap statesmen, we will conduct illegal arrests, illegal tariffs, threaten to take over lands from our traditional allies, bomb our enemies during negociation, without congress approval. All for the good of the American Empire.

It would be a far stretched script for fiction, but that's exactly the terms and actions taken just in the last year.

I doubt these were the recipe for what worked well for the last 80 years. Momentum is the result of a smoother and more balanced doctrine.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by stackskipton »

progbits wrote: post #199
rfw300 wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think he got it backwards, at least if Hegseth's statement is accurate. AWS, GCP, etc. all do business with DoD. If they, as DoD contractors, are no longer allowed to do business with Anthropic, then presumably they have to stop re-selling or hosting Anthropic's models to anyone.

Ah, true. Well then, what makes GCP/AWS more money? DoD contracts or Claude resell fees? They could drop DoD though I guess I see how this will go...

DoD for sure. It's also much more stable income then reselling AI.
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