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‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by protocolture »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #789
6yyyyyy wrote: post #621

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The ideal answer is the UN sends in peacekeeping forces to kick out the IDF. That won't happen due to the USA. So in practice the answer to "How will the Gazans eat?" is "They won't."

If the UN sent in peacekeepers the IDF would use them for target practice. It would be a total bloodbath. Leaving aside the horror of the thought, the only way to stop Israel's assault on Gaza with a military force is to summon one more powerful than the IDF. There are only a few nations in the world that have a military that could take on the IDF - the US, Russia, China, I'm not sure who else. None of those countrie…

IIRC one of the third party partition plans involves a coalition of local governments staffing a neutral zone between Palestine and Israel. The issue for that plan is one of support (Israel doesnt like it, natch) and funding.

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Post by fahhem »

leptons wrote: post #697
fahhem wrote: post #581

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Israel didn't pull out of Gaza, it simply moved its people to the border and continued its subjugation. They bombed Gaza's airport and implemented a land and sea blockade where they controlled everything that went in or out (to the point where they put the Palestinians on a diet with calorie counting at one point). That's not pulling out. The border with Egypt was controlled indirectly, Egypt is a puppet state of the…

>They bombed Gaza's airport and implemented a land and sea blockade where they controlled everything that went in or out Israel blockades the ports and bombed the airport because missiles and weapons used to kill Israelis are shipped in at those places . These weapons in Gaza are not being used for defense. They are there to kill Israelis, period. Weapons still get in, and then shit like Oct 7th happens - again, not…

The West Bank tried diplomacy, the PA is Israel's puppet and doesn't stop the settlements and the violence of those settlers. Americans have died at the hands of that settler violence protected by the IDF and ignored by the PA.

What has that gotten them? Turns out, there's no diplomacy with the terrorist regime of Israel

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Post by fahhem »

nailer wrote: post #898
fahhem wrote: post #572

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> how else would Gazans eat? UNRWA, WFP, etc. You know, the ones with decades of experience in Gaza and other war zones with sites, warehouses, and all the other infrastructure necessary to support a population under siege.

> UNRWA The one that has a unique definiton of 'refugee' that doesn't correspond with UNs the normal definition of the term? Where many of the staff work for Hamas? Where their schools teach children to be martyrs? The one many countries have halted funding for because of this? If you want the UN, fine, UNHCR, the normal UN refugee agency.

What percentage of their staff works for Hamas? What's the proof they work for Hamas?

Israel has provided 0 proof, only allegations, and even then it's only a handful of people in an organization of tens of thousands. That's literally better than the ratio of rapist to citizen in Israel.

Numbers for proof: Israel claims 12 out of 30k (13k in Gaza), but the UN says only 9 "may have been involved". That's 0.1% of Palestinians in Gaza. There are 1.3k Israeli rapists in prison (not including the ones that fled the US to avoid prison) and 80% of rape allegations are closed without investigation. That's 0.1% of Israelis.

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Post by asdefghyk »

calmbonsai wrote: post #138
ryoshoe wrote: post #134

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> And one of those WCK workers was in fact a rifle wielding Hamas member As far as I know this was the result of the IDF's own investigation so there's some conflict of interest

That turned out not to be true. Here's the latest Wikipedia entry on the event: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Central_Kitchen_aid_conv...

I would not trust a Wikipedia entry to be correct.

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Post by asdefghyk »

jiggawatts wrote: post #265

Something to keep in mind when listening to "first hand accounts" like this is that even if they're honest statements, everybody is subject to the fog of war and skewed statistics. An example that came up a few months ago was a surgeon in a Gaza hospital making the honest statement to BBC journalists that he had seen dozens of children coming into the hospital near death with a "single shot" to a vital organ. He clai…

This is quite suspicious. Needs to be further investigated? Conversely there are allegations of child solders down to 10 years old.

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Post by achierius »

scotty79 wrote: post #906
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #902

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Israeli apartheid is a system of institutionalized segregation and discrimination in the Israeli-occupied Palestinian territories and to a lesser extent in Israel proper.[a] ("Israel proper" refers to the borders of Israel as recognized by the majority of the international community, which excludes East Jerusalem, the West Bank, the Golan Heights, and the Gaza Strip.) This system is characterized by near-total physic…

I see. So people who call it apartheid basically believe that places like Gaza are parts of Israel despite Israel having no administrative power there nor effective police presence. Let's skip those places for a moment. What are the signs of apartheid in Israel proper? I don't have access to the sources listed. Just one or two things off the top of your head would be a lot for me.

No, because of the West Bank, where Israel DOES have control.

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Post by asdefghyk »

jiggawatts wrote: post #587
dubyah wrote: post #461

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There's a group signed letter by 99 American volunteer medical professionals stating: Specifically, every one of us who worked in an emergency, intensive care, or surgical setting treated pre-teen children who were shot in the head or chest on a regular or even a daily basis. https://www.gazahealthcareletters.org/usa-letter-oct-2-2024

That’s precisely the letter I was referring to. They’re not in the war zone taking an unbiased sample. They’re in a hospital receiving critical but patients after triage Inherently, their statistical sample of war injuries is biased. It’s a textbook example of the survivorship statical bias! This is all I’m trying to say: not that their observations are false or that children aren’t being shot, but that they’re not i…

and sometimes the information is just wrong.

As mentioned in media

"....A former Israeli prime minister has accused The New York Times of “blood libel” after the newspaper issued a clarification over the publication of a photograph of a child in Gaza whom the newspaper – and other media outlets – claimed was suffering “severe malnutrition”.

The New York Times admitted an error in publishing the image after it emerged the emaciated boy had been diagnosed with pre-existing health conditions. ...."

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Post by trabant00 »

dang wrote: post #48
crystal_revenge wrote: post #17

As someone who went to US high school in the 90s, a good 1/3 of our curriculum seemed to be "never again" studies of the holocaust and other genocides throughout history. Which makes it completely incomprehensible to me that suddenly "don't talk about genocide" has become the basically law. What's worse is I actually feel openly saying "I don't support this genocide and I'm critical of the state committing it" is a r…

> The downvotes and flagged comments in this post are clearly not "organic" FWIW the downvotes and flags in threads like this, including this thread, do seem largely organic to me, and well within the range of what one expects from a divisive and emotional topic. People often use words like "clearly" in making such descriptions (I don't mean to pick on you personally! countless users do this, from all sides of all is…

Might not be worth much but I just want to thank you for being willing to put in the work to make such discussions possible even though clearly (wink) the vast majority of comments don't want to have a discussion. I would have shut it down writing it off as too much work for almost no result.

I don't even want to comment on-topic because I already know nobody will seriously consider my point of view, but just downvote and attack me.

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Post by bjoli »

AuthAuth wrote: post #950
bjoli wrote: post #868

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Every humanitarian organisation on the ground have said that these claims are false. What they HAVE claimed is that the gangs that are raiding aid are doing so with the support of the IDF: www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-14/gaza-aid-looting-gangs-yasser-abu-shabab-israel-netanyahu-hamas This was the first result of many. I have heard these claims from many many sources for at least 6 months, despite having actively avoid…

There was a report released recently but you're not quite correct. The report said that the allegiance of the raideres could not be verified in majority of the cases. In the cases where they marked IDF as the cause it was due to the IDF picking the route or blocking their intended route. The IDF was not raiding the trucks or supporting the raiders.

Netanyahu claimed himself that Israel were providing weapons to the Popular Forces/ATF. Seemingly for the same reason they bolstered Hamas as the enemy of Fatah: the enemy of their enemy is their friend. That PF has IS connections doesnt seem to bother Netanyahu.

They are in control of many of the aid corridors especially around Gaza. Aid is only allowed through those corridors, and the PF (and other gangs) are raiding the aid trucks. Sometimes within reach of the IDF which stays passive.

Let enough aid come in, and there will be no money to be made from reselling it. If Hamas is stealing all the aid now as they claim, they will have more han enough for their forces already.

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Post by gadders »

aa-jv wrote: post #748
gadders wrote: post #723

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After 9/11, the US invaded 2 countries, one of which wasn't even involved. And honestly, if it had been my daughter raped and killed at a music festival, I'd have done worse.

The US is not a moral standard worth an ounce of spit when it comes to war crimes, crimes against humanity and massive violations of human rights at scale. It literally murdered 5% of Iraq's population in cold blood on the basis of outright lies. Iraqi mothers still suffer the US' war crimes.

Yes, I think we all realise that nation-building and intervening in foreign countries for regime change is a mistake, and what comes after is usually worse (Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan etc).

Unfortunately the citizens of these countries don't want to live in functioning democracies.

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