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Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by amendegree »

austin-cheney wrote: post #959
amendegree wrote: post #952

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If gazans want the war to end all they have to do is return the people they so gleefully kidnapped and continue to torture and hold hostage. Instead they point fingers and depend on brainwashed westerners without any knowledge of the conflict or history to get them out of the mess they themselves created. I wasn’t directly referencing that but it’s literally the strongest proof, data, evidence science that she was 10…

Most Gazans have never had anything to do with hostages or any kind of violence and they would very much like this conflict and starvation to end.

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Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by lbrito »

amendegree wrote: post #960
austin-cheney wrote: post #958

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Again, read that article lol, it doesn’t actually support the thing you’re saying. It has a claim by a soldier without any supporting proof. Same with the CNN article, there is literally zero video evidence supporting your claim in the most recorded war in history, ask yourself why that is? Why do we have video of hamas shooting their own people, video of basically every single missile landing, but this event that ha…

You're just insulting people at this point. The OP did not say he hates Jews or want them to be killed. You should be banned by making disgusting accusations without any connection with reality.

There's overwhelming proof of intentional starvation in Gaza, by multiple different sources -- sources that don't agree with each other on pretty much anything else, by the way. Every major news outlet in the planet is reporting the same thing, but in your evil, twisted, human-hating logic, all of them are wrong and only the openly fascist government of Israel is right because they say so.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gaza-humanitarian-aid-1.759176...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/23/we-faced-hunge...

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/23/world/gallery/photos-starvati...

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/7/23/more-than-100-ngos-...

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2025/07/gaza-evidence...

https://www.unrwa.org/resources/reports/unrwa-situation-repo...

https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/07/1165396

https://www.ochaopt.org/content/humanitarian-situation-updat...

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by rapind »

mk89 wrote: post #862
rapind wrote: post #300

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> But I like to believe and think they are a minority. There's a lot of MAGA hats out there man. Historically, has it ever been a good thing when so many people believe everything one man says is pure truth? I mean, even if I agreed with every policy, the extent and dedication of this cultish behaviour would give me pause.

The nice thing about democracy and politics in general is that everyone can have an opinion and a way to see something. Many MAGA hats don't all mean the same. I doubt all of his supporters like the tariffs, or how he is dealing with Russia, or Israel, or, or or... However, I believe that some of the core policies (hard on immigration, etc) somehow find a common agreement. And even in those core policies, some might…

My only point, without discussing policy at all, is that it's a cult of personality, with all that entails (not good). I think a failure to recognize this as either naive or intentional.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by amendegree »

lbrito wrote: post #962
amendegree wrote: post #960

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Again, read that article lol, it doesn’t actually support the thing you’re saying. It has a claim by a soldier without any supporting proof. Same with the CNN article, there is literally zero video evidence supporting your claim in the most recorded war in history, ask yourself why that is? Why do we have video of hamas shooting their own people, video of basically every single missile landing, but this event that ha…

You're just insulting people at this point. The OP did not say he hates Jews or want them to be killed. You should be banned by making disgusting accusations without any connection with reality. There's overwhelming proof of intentional starvation in Gaza, by multiple different sources -- sources that don't agree with each other on pretty much anything else, by the way. Every major news outlet in the planet is report…

I never disagreed that some children aren’t getting food, my point always was that the UN and Hamas are responsible for this problem, the IDF in partnership with GHF are the only organizations facilitating alleviating the suffering.

The UN has literal tons of food that they’re refusing to distribute. Hamas clearly has access to fresh fruit as recently as 2 days ago and yet they refuse to share any of it with their constituents. Egypt is refusing to allow anyone to leave Gaza as a refugee. When Israel and Trump proposed resettling the refugees temporarily until the war ended they were accused by you, the UN, and every single “humanitarian” org of ethnic cleansing.

Israel is not responsible for a problem they didn’t create, don’t want and are trying very hard to prevent and end. The only people responsible for this are the ones refusing to solve it unless it allows for a genocide of Jews.

The OP and you are both determined to only consider solutions that allow for further Arab colonization and may result in the death of millions of Jews. This is why I accuse you of genocide.

I will also add, Israel is not responsible for the health and welfare of even a single Gazan citizen, that responsibility falls on Hamas, so literally anything Israel does to help the gazan citizenry is already going above and beyond. If you have a problem with the welfare of Hamas’s constituents, take it up with them. Tell them to unconditionally surrender and return the kidnapped hostages. Instead of agitating for the wholesale slaughter of Jews.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by 3cats-in-a-coat »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #879
3cats-in-a-coat wrote: post #874

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Well, we disagree on our asshole classification. To me a true experienced asshole notices when another asshole is about to swindle them. There is some inexplicable tendency for swindlers to get swindled, but that's probably more at the periphery. Not sure if those qualify as assholes. I'll have to think about it.

I'm just talking about people who are angry and mean to the point that it's harmful to themselves

I see the general phenomenon of those people as an outlet for a set of social defects we have. Keep in mind that "immigrants bad" and so on cultural wars repertoire is always the go-to of populists when they want to point to an easy enemy to rile up the population.

It works because it's like short-circuiting. You have the easy to identify superficial traits, and so the current goes straight through, and shorts the system. Except it's social electricity in this case. My point is while we can blame the individual assholes in this, their generation itself is an inevitability in the right toxic environment. These populist explanations seek to address real concerns of people like bad work conditions, inflation and so on, but it invents an easy to digest (and entirely wrong) premise about why their lives are bad.

I wish I could say hating the assholes works, but that's just another short-circuiting of social electricity. Polarization, hate, enemies. It all just serves to divide and conquer us. Unity is strength, division is weaknesss.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by DSingularity »

FuriouslyAdrift wrote: post #914
DSingularity wrote: post #803

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The majority of Gazans are refugees displaced from other parts of Palestine which are indeed presently occupied. If you care to find out how they were displaced you might be shocked at how the living space for Israelis was created.

I have family in Israel (some of which go back to Roman times) and am quite familiar with the current nations founding. 'Palestine' is a modern convention from 1967. Prior to that, it was a regional term to refer anyone living in the area (including native Jews).

No disagreements there. I have a friend who grew up in Lebanon who told me how his fathers best friend in high school was Jewish who later came back to invade Lebanon and supervise martial law in the same city they grew up in.

It’s the way of the colonialists. Outsource the occupation to a local minority and your occupation can last a lot longer because the colonial power will be shielded from the inevitable blowback that will follow from the dirty work of colonization. The minority will always be keen to retain your support so you can retain most of the benefits which attracted you to the colonial project for a lot longer.

The world should push for a one state solution. Enough bloodshed already.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by cooper_ganglia »

chrismorgan wrote: post #945
cooper_ganglia wrote: post #928

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Numbers 24:9 (and Genesis 12:3) were about ancient Israel, but Paul reinterprets them in Galatians 3:16. The true “seed of Abraham” is Christ, and the promise applies to those in Him: Christians, not Jews. There’s no biblical mandate to support modern Israel.

You’ve got to consider Romans as well, half of which is dedicated to the question of the Jews. (Summarising aggressively: Is there anything special about being a Jew? Yes and no, but more no. Has God replaced them? Yes and no, but ultimately more no than yes.) Romans 11 is especially relevant.

I think that means there's a biblical mandate to evangelize and convert Jews to Christianity, but it doesn’t change the fact that there is no scripture requiring Christians to support the modern nation or government of Israel.

To me, Romans 9:8 and Romans 11:13–32 (especially verses 30–32) summarize this well. In Romans 11:26-27, Paul is referencing the promise in Isaiah 59:20:

  “The Redeemer will come to Zion, to those in Jacob who repent of their sins,” declares the Lord.
But that promise is conditional, it’s directed at those who repent. And you can't repent of the sin of denying the Holy Spirit, the very testimony of Christ, if you refuse to even acknowledge that He exists!

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by barkingcat »

tavavex wrote: post #671
braiamp wrote: post #562

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"In 2011, the United States stopped funding Unesco because of what was then a forgotten, 15-year-old amendment mandating a complete cutoff of American financing to any United Nations agency that accepts Palestine as a full member. Various efforts by President Barack Obama to overturn the legal restriction narrowly failed in Congress, and the United States lost its vote at the organization after two years of nonpaymen…

> 15-year-old amendment mandating a complete cutoff of American financing to any United Nations agency that accepts Palestine as a full member As a non-American, doesn't this seem a little ridiculous to some people in the US? This screams of a kind of melodramatic, overdone theatrics that the US doesn't seem to do to anyone else. I get that the US has a lot of Israeli money/investments/customers and extremely religio…

What are you talking about, global politics is only melodramatic overdone theatrics

everyone does it. I'm pretty sure your home country, whatever it is, also does it.

it's the equivalent of banging fists on tables to try to get people to toe the line, and the US does it a ton. Russia does it. China does it.

even small countries does it too.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by amendegree »

runarberg wrote: post #969
amendegree wrote: post #961

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Hamas shared the videos… not sure what else you’d call it when a violent mob made up of both young and old people jostles and jeers and attacks innocent civilians and then throws rocks and chases their car. This don’t happen just once, it was a crowd of 1000s every time.

Here in America we call that a lynch mob.

Maybe you should stop with the bigotry apologism.

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