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Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Five-hundred billion dollars is nothing when you consider there's a new government agency that it is said will shave two trillion from government inefficiency.

Five-hundred billion is twenty-five percent of DOGE's pie in the sky promise. It's something.

/s

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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This is so much money with which we could actually solve problems in the world. maybe even stop wars which break out because of scarcity issues. maybe i am getting to old or to friendly to humans, but it's staggering to me how the priorities are for such things.

Won't an intelligent agent available to everyone be able to solve problems in the world? Isn't that why they (OpenAI) and others are doing what they do? To bring abundance?

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Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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"There are maybe a few hundred people in the world who viscerally understand what's coming. Most are at DeepMind / OpenAI / Anthropic / X but some are on the outside. You have to be able to forecast the aggregate effect of rapid algorithmic improvement, aggressive investment in building RL environments for iterative self-improvement, and many tens of billions already committed to building data centers. Either we're a…

The problem is, they are hugely incentivised to hype to raise funding. It’s not whether they are “wrong”, it’s whether they are being realistic. The argument presented in the quote there is: “everyone in AI foundation companies are putting money into AI, therefore we must be near AGI.” The best evaluation of progress is to use the tools we have. It doesn’t look like we are close to AGI. It looks like amazing NLP with…

The newest US president announced this within the 48 hours of assuming office. Hype alone couldn't set such a big wheel in motion.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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post #589

This is so much money with which we could actually solve problems in the world. maybe even stop wars which break out because of scarcity issues. maybe i am getting to old or to friendly to humans, but it's staggering to me how the priorities are for such things.

I am surprised at the negativity from HN. Their clear goal is to build superintelligence. Listen to any of the interviews with Altman, Demis Hassabis, or Dario Amodei (Anthropic) on the purpose of this. They discuss the roadmaps to unlimited energy, curing disease, farming innovations to feed billions, permanent solutions to climate change, and more. Does no one on HN believe in this anymore? Isn't this tech startup…

Do you want a superintelligence ruling over all humanity until the stars burn out controlled by these people?

The lesson of everything that has happened in tech over the past 20 years is that what tech can do and what tech will do are miles apart. Yes, AGI could give everyone a free therapist to maximize their human well-being and guide us to the stars. Just like social media could have brought humanity closer together and been an unprecedented tool for communication, understanding, and democracy. How'd that work out?

At some point, optimism becomes willfully blinding yourself to the terrible danger humanity is in right now. Of course founders paint the rosy version of their product's future. That's how PR works. They're lying - maybe to themselves, and definitely to you.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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I am surprised at the negativity from HN. Their clear goal is to build superintelligence. Listen to any of the interviews with Altman, Demis Hassabis, or Dario Amodei (Anthropic) on the purpose of this. They discuss the roadmaps to unlimited energy, curing disease, farming innovations to feed billions, permanent solutions to climate change, and more. Does no one on HN believe in this anymore? Isn't this tech startup…

All of those things would put them out of business if realized and are just a PR smokescreen. Have we not seen enough of these people to know their character? They're predators who, from all accounts, sacrifice every potentially meaningful personal relationship for money, long after they have more than most people could ever dream of. If we legalized gladiatorial blood sport and it became a billion-dollar business, t…

I continue to be amazed at how motivated some of us are to make such cruel, far-reaching and empty claims with regards to people of some popularity/notoriety.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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I am surprised at the negativity from HN. Their clear goal is to build superintelligence. Listen to any of the interviews with Altman, Demis Hassabis, or Dario Amodei (Anthropic) on the purpose of this. They discuss the roadmaps to unlimited energy, curing disease, farming innovations to feed billions, permanent solutions to climate change, and more. Does no one on HN believe in this anymore? Isn't this tech startup…

What if the AI doesn't want to do any of that stuff.

Humans choose its loss function, then continue to guide it with finetuning/RL/etc.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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For less than this same price tag, we could’ve eliminated student loan debt for ~20 million Americans. It would in turn open a myriad number of opportunities, like owning a home and/or feeling more comfortable starting a family. It would stimulate the economy in predictable ways. Instead we gave a small number of people all of this money for a moonshot in a state where they squabble over who’s allowed to use which ba…

Repaying student loans makes a lot of people a little richer. The current initiative makes a few people a lot richer. If you ask some people, the former is a very communist/socialist way of thinking (bad), while the latter is pure, unadulterated capitalism (good).

You can make the same argument about going to the moon. Why bother when so many problems could be solved on earth.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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post #589

This is so much money with which we could actually solve problems in the world. maybe even stop wars which break out because of scarcity issues. maybe i am getting to old or to friendly to humans, but it's staggering to me how the priorities are for such things.

Russia did not have a scarcity issue and still invaded its neighbor.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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How is compute only 50% of their expenses?

I'd guess salaries and such for all the devs and researchers make up a significant portion of the other half

That seems almost impossible.
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