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Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Same thing was done a little later by HBO, Disney and a plethora of others, which points to the task not really being uber-difficult.

Speaking as a consumer, Netflix’s solution is objectively better than it’s competitors. It handles network blips better, it’s more responsive to use, it has far fewer random bugs you need to work around. You can argue whether or not that edge translates into more revenue, but the edge is objectively there.

Agree. Hulu, HBO/Max, and Disney Plus each do most of these:

- frequently decide that episodes I've watched are either completely unwatched (with random fully watched eps of the show mixed in).

- seemingly every time I leave at the start of the end-credits, I surely must have intended to come back and watch them.

- rebuild the entire interface (progressively, slowly) when I've left the tab unfocussed for too long. Instead of letting continue where I was, they show it for less than a second, the rebuild the world.

- keep resetting the closed-caption setting to "none", regardless of choosing "always" or "on instant replay"; worse, they sometimes still have the correct setting in the interface, but have disabled captions anyway.

Netflix has only once since they started streaming forgotten playback position or episode completion. They politely suggest when to reload the page (via a tiny footer banner), but even that might not appear for months. They usually know where end-credits really start, and count that as completion. They don't seem to mess with captions.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Hopefully they fix it because they are hosting two Christmas NFL games this year and if you want to really piss people off you have buffering issues during NFL games lol.

Maybe this was a stress test for the NFL games? I'd expect the NFL games to have a largely American audience, but today's boxing event attracted a global audience.

I wonder what % of the "60-120m" viewers were from Europe vs America vs Asia

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You can explain these problems with simple business metrics that technologists like to ignore. Right before the recent Twitter acquisition, the various bits of info that came to the limelight included the "minor detail" that they had more than doubled their headcount and associated expenses, but had not doubled either their revenue or profits. Technology complexity went up, the business went backwards. Thousands of p…

> Right before the recent Twitter acquisition, the various bits of info that came to the limelight included the "minor detail" that they had more than doubled their headcount and associated expenses, but had not doubled either their revenue or profits. Every tech company massively inflated their headcount during the leadup to the Twitter acquisition because money was free. I interviewed at Meta in 2021 and asked an E…

>"I would instantly hire 10,000 more engineers."

From my experience, this answer usually belies someone who doesn’t fully understand the system and problems of the business. The easy answer when overwhelmed is “we need more people.” To use a manufacturing analogy, you can cover up a lot of quality issues with increased throughout, but it makes for an awfully inefficient system.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Technically it’s one fewer keystroke (and it’s AAPL). It’s a lot fewer keystrokes for MS (Morgan Stanley), GS (Goldman Sachs) and MSFT (Microsoft) than it is for AAPL, but it’s a force of habit for some. Once you’re used to referring to firms by their ticker symbols, you do it all the time. E.g. an ex trader friend still says “spot” instead of “point” when referring to decimal points, even if talking in other context…

Technically, you forgot capitalization, so it's more keystrokes

Apple is also capitalized, so it's still fewer. Unless you hit "Shift" separately for each character in AAPL?

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If places like Paramount+ can figure it out, Netflix, given their 10+ year head start on streaming and strong engineering culture, should also have been able to. And if you don't like my example, literally every other streaming service has streamed live sports without issue. YT TV, Hulu, Paramount+, Amazon Prime, Peacock, even Apple TV streams live sports. It may be "new" to them, but they should have been ready.

I won’t argue that they shouldn’t have done better, I’m only pointing out that this is fairly different from their usual product. Amazon, YouTube, and Hulu all have a ton of experience with live streaming by now. Apple has live streamed wwdc for several years. I did expect that Netflix would have appropriately accounted for demand and scale, though, especially given the hype for this particular event.

Even Amazon doesn't have it perfected for Live.

Live sports and VOD movies/TV are very different beasts.

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In 2012 Youtube did the Red Bull stratos live stream with 8m concurrent users 8m vs 60m. And not in 4K. Not a great choice for comparison.

Source for Netflix pulling 60m streams to watch Tyson/Paul?

https://about.netflix.com/en/news/60-million-households-tune...

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I am one of the ones who complain about their microservices architecture quite a lot. This comes from both first-hand experience of talking to several of their directors when consulted upon on how to make certain systems of theirs better. It's not just a matter of guarantees, it's a matter of complexity. Like right now Google search is dying and there's nothing that they can do to fix it because they have given up co…

They want to be associated with FAANG? What does the N stand for?

Forced assoc.

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I stream hours of 4k60 from youtube every day for free. I get maybe 1m total of buffering per week, if that. Seems uncharitable to complain about that.

Live streams have different buffering logic to video on demand. Customers watching sports will get very upset if there is a long buffer, but for a VOD playback you don't care how big the buffer is. Segment sizes are short for live and long for VOD because you need to adapt faster and keep buffers small for Live, but longer download segments are better for buffering.

Sorry, yeah, for some stupid reason I was not thinking about live streams.

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I'm fairly well versed in basic ip networks, but the above sounds like a wordsalad to me.

That’s okay, you probably just haven’t worked with high performance services or micro services before. Network requests (sometimes called hops) take a significant amount of time. You don’t want your streaming service to take a significant amounts of time. In microservices land, you generally try making services based on some “domain” (metaphorical, not like a literal domain name) which defines the responsibility of a…

Honestly, I've seen my fair share of 7 layer SOAP stacks. Not sure if any of your unsubstatiated handwaving is making any sense.

Tell me specifics.

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