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Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saying live-streaming is a solved problem is like saying search is a solved problem.

> Saying live-streaming is a solved problem is like saying search is a solved problem It is. You can hire the people who have solved it to do it for you.

> It is. You can hire the people who have solved it to do it for you.

"GPGPU compute is a solved problem if you buy Nvidia hardware" type comment

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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It’s insane the excuses being made here for Netflix’s apparently unique circumstances. They failed. Full stop. There is no valid technical reason they couldn’t have had a smooth experience. There are numerous people with experience building these systems they could have hired and listened to. It isn’t a novel problem. Here are the other companies that are peers that livestream just fine, ignoring traditional broadcas…

> They failed. Full stop.

It's not full stop. There are reasons why they failed, and for many it's useful and entertaining to dissect them. This is not "making excuses" and does not get in the way of you, apparently, prioritizing making a moral judgment.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Netflix is good only on streaming ready made content, not live streaming, but; 1. Netflix is a 300B company, this isn't a resources issue. 2. This isn't the first time they have done live streaming at this scale either. They already have prior failure experience, you expect the 2nd time to be better, if not perfect. 3. There were plenty of time between first massive live streaming to second. Meaning plenty of time to…

They have the NFL next month on Christmas day. So that'll be a big streaming session but I think it'll be nothing compared to this. Even Twitter was having problems handling the live pirate streams there.

> Even Twitter was having problems

Is that a surprise? They're not who I would think of first as a gold standard for high viewership live streams.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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When you step back and look at the situation, it's not hard to see why Netflix dropped the ball here. Here's now I see it (not affiliated with Netflix, pure speculation): - Months ago, the "higher ups" at Netflix struck a deal to stream the fight on Netflix. The exec that signed the deal was probably over the moon because it would get Netflix into a brand new space and bring in large audience numbers. Along the way t…

I mean, maybe? You just made all this up.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

#525

I watched the event last night and didn't get any buffering issues, but I did notice frequent drop in video quality when watching the live feed. If I backed the video up a bit, the video quality suddenly went back up to 4k. I had some technical experience with live video streaming over 15 years ago. It was a nightmare back then. I guess live video is still difficult in 2024. But congrats to Jake Paul and boxing fans.…

I wonder how localized the issues were. I watched the Taylor/Seranno fight and the Paul/Tyson without issue and the picture quality was the best in every seen for live sports. Was blown away by how good it was. No where near what I’m getting with steaming NFL. This is what I want the future of live sports to look like. Though the commentary was so so.

I’m in the Pacific Northwest. I wonder if we got lucky on this or just some areas got unlucky.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

#526
post #510

It’s insane the excuses being made here for Netflix’s apparently unique circumstances. They failed. Full stop. There is no valid technical reason they couldn’t have had a smooth experience. There are numerous people with experience building these systems they could have hired and listened to. It isn’t a novel problem. Here are the other companies that are peers that livestream just fine, ignoring traditional broadcas…

Amazon had their fair share of livestream failures and for notably less viewers. I don't think they deserve a spot on that list. I briefly worked in streaming media for sports and while it's not a novel problem, there are so many moving parts and points of failure that it can easily all go badly.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Were they not able to hire enough top-skilled people? If not, why not? Or did they have a lot of needs that they decided didn't require top-skilled people? Or was this a beancounter thing, of someone deciding that the company was paying more money on staffing than they needed to, without understanding it?

My observation is that Netflix is one of those places that brags about how they do so much with so little employees.

Few. Little employees would be...small.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

#528

This is probably a naive question but very relevant to what we have here. In a protocol where a oft-repeated request goes through multiple intermediaries, usually every intermediate will be able to cache the response for common queries (Eg: DNS). In theory, ISPs would be able to do the same with the HTTP. Although I am not aware of anyone doing such (since it will rightfully raise concerns of privacy and tampering).…

What you describe is called a CDN and has been widely used for 20 years.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was live streaming much of a use case for them before this? They stream plenty of pre recorded video, often collocated. Live streaming seems like something they aren’t yet good at.

If places like Paramount+ can figure it out, Netflix, given their 10+ year head start on streaming and strong engineering culture, should also have been able to. And if you don't like my example, literally every other streaming service has streamed live sports without issue. YT TV, Hulu, Paramount+, Amazon Prime, Peacock, even Apple TV streams live sports. It may be "new" to them, but they should have been ready.

I won’t argue that they shouldn’t have done better, I’m only pointing out that this is fairly different from their usual product. Amazon, YouTube, and Hulu all have a ton of experience with live streaming by now. Apple has live streamed wwdc for several years.

I did expect that Netflix would have appropriately accounted for demand and scale, though, especially given the hype for this particular event.

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