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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by adrian_b » Tue, Jun 11, 2024, 2:59 PM UTC

harry8 wrote: post #853

TreetopPlace wrote: post #522

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"AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't`' Your quote really hit me. I trust Apple to respect my privacy when doing AI, but the thought of Microsoft or Google slurping up all my data to do remote-server AI is abhorrent. I can't see how Microsoft or Google can undo the last 10 years to fix this.

> "I trust Apple..." I'm actually a little gobsmacked anyone on this forum can type those words without physically convulsing. The even more terrible part is I'm sure it's common. And so via network externalities the rest of us who do NOT trust any of these companies on the basis that all of them, time and again, have shown themselves to be totally untrustworthy in all possible ways, will get locked into this lunacy.…

I would give multiple upvotes to this, were it possible.

I do not have either Google or Apple accounts and I do not intend to ever open such accounts (despite owning some Android smartphones and having owned Apple laptops).

Because of this, I am frequently harassed by various companies or agencies, which change their interaction metods into smartphone apps and then deprecate the alternatives.

Moreover, I actually would be willing to install such apps, but only if there would be some means to download them, but most of them insist on providing the app only in the official store, from which I cannot install it, because I have no Google account.

I have been forced to close my accounts in one of the banks that I use, because after using their online banking system in the browser for more than a decade, including from my smartphone, they have decided to have a custom app.

In the beginning that did not matter, but then they have terminated their Web server for online banking and they have refused to provide directly their app, leaving the Google store as the only source of it.

I have been too busy to try to fight this legally, but I cannot believe that their methods do not break any law. I am not an US citizen, I live in the European Union, and when an European bank (a Societe Generale subsidiary) refuses to provide its services to anyone who does not enter in a contractual relationship with a foreign US company, such discrimination cannot be legal.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by fckgw » Tue, Jun 11, 2024, 2:59 PM UTC

seec wrote: post #949

fckgw wrote: post #591

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These are all very basic commands that Siri pulls off flawlessly whenever I use it.

Most of the stuff shown are much faster to do yourself if you have your hands free and if you don't you have to pray the gods that Siri doesn't fuck up for whatever reason. Even something as simple as setting the time, Siri will bork it at least 1 in 10 times. I know that for sure, since I worked at a friend's restaurant 2 summers ago and was heavily using Siri's timer to time french fries blanching (many batches for…

> People who think Siri is good either are delusional or have special godlike skills. But considering how many hilarious "demos" I have gotten from Apple fans friends; I will say it's the former.

Or maybe they just have good experiences? Why do they have to be delusional?

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by Terretta » Tue, Jun 11, 2024, 3:02 PM UTC

SoftTalker wrote: post #471

Terretta wrote: post #437

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> I see no real difference between 2 and 3. This #2, so-called "Private Cloud Compute", is not the same as iCloud. And certainly not the same as sending queries to OpenAI. Quoting: “With Private Cloud Compute, Apple Intelligence can flex and scale its computational capacity and draw on larger, server-based models for more complex requests. These models run on servers powered by Apple silicon, providing a foundation t…

Yes, that's all well and good but assumes no mistakes and no National Security letters ordering them to describe it that way and no changes of control or business strategy at some point in the future. Once the data is out of your possession it's out of your control.

> Once the data is out of your possession it's out of your control.

Actually, once your e2e key that encrypts your data is out of your possession, it's out of your control.

Over the past decade it's become commercially feasible to be NSL-proof.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by baxuz » Tue, Jun 11, 2024, 3:06 PM UTC

I really hope that they'll enable other, less spoken languages. I'm not planning on talking with my phone in English.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by matrix87 » Tue, Jun 11, 2024, 3:13 PM UTC

the thing with "I have xyz ingredients, help me plan a 5-course meal for every taste bud"... I get the idea, it just doesn't feel like that's how people actually interact with computers. similarly with the bed time story thing. why would anyone waste time with some AI generated thing when they can just reference the works of a chef or author that they already know?

appropriating all of this information through legally dubious means and then attempting to replace the communication channels that produced it in the first place is hubris.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by solarmist » Tue, Jun 11, 2024, 3:29 PM UTC

mirsadm wrote: post #902

lannisterstark wrote: post #859

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As opposed to what: If you hired an actual human assistant, it wouldn't be?

Having other people read through my stuff and respond for me is creepy regardless.

This is what executive assistants do all day.

Some people view house keepers the same way. “I can’t let someone going through and touch all of my personal belongings. That’s just creepy.”

There’s a wide range of what people find creepy and also what people can and do get used to.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by solarmist » Tue, Jun 11, 2024, 3:31 PM UTC

OptionOfT wrote: post #954

asimpletune wrote: post #162

Their demos looked like how I imagined AI before ChatGPT ever existed. It was a personalized, context aware, deeply integrated way of interacting with your whole system. I really enjoyed the explanation for how they planned on tackling server-enabled AI tasks while making the best possible effort to keep your requests private. Auditable server software that runs on Apple hardware is probably as good as you can get fo…

Question I have is how deeply it is integrated in non-Apple apps. Like Signal (still no Siri support) or Outlook.

It sounds like the app creators need to built in the support using SiriKit and app intentions. If they're using either already a fair bit of integration will be automatic.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by solarmist » Tue, Jun 11, 2024, 3:34 PM UTC

yborg wrote: post #673

peppertree wrote: post #368

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I think the biggest announcement was the private compute cloud with Apple Silicon. Apple is building up internal expertise to go after Nvidia.

Isn't it also that Nvidia chips are basically unobtainable right now anyway?

Yeah, but Apple wouldn’t care either way. They do things for the principle of it. “We have an ongoing beef with NVIDIA so we’ll build our own ai server farms.”

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by pmarreck » Tue, Jun 11, 2024, 3:38 PM UTC

QuinnyPig wrote: post #401

pmarreck wrote: post #392

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> The way Siri can now perform actions based on context Given that this will apparently drop... next year at the earliest?... I think it's simply quite a tease, for now. I literally had to install a keyboard extension to my iPhone just to get Whisper speech to text, which is thousands of times better at dictation than Siri at this point, which seems about 10 years behind the curve

Ooh, which keyboard extension is this?

Auri AI. Note that it's not free, and the way it works is via the clipboard, so it's a bit hacky, but mostly works well.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by solarmist » Tue, Jun 11, 2024, 3:42 PM UTC

latexr wrote: post #297

nerdjon wrote: post #220

Said this in the other thread, but I am really bothered that image generation is a thing but also that it got as much attention as it did. I am worried about the reliability, if you are relying on it giving important information without checking the source (like a flight) than that could lead to some bad situations. That being said, the polish and actual usefulness of these features is really interesting. It may not…

> I wonder if that implies that over time different hardware will run different levels of requests locally vs the cloud. I bet that’s going to be the case. I think they added the servers as a stop-gap out of necessity, but what they see as the ideal situation is the time when they can turn those off because all devices they sell have been able to run everything locally for X amount of time.

I’m betting 100% on this. And I think the new sidecar controlling your phone is an example of where they’re going in reverse.

If you have a M6 MacBook/ipad pro it’ll run your AI queries there if you’re on the same network in two-four years.