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Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by adastra22 »

swalling wrote: post #537
adastra22 wrote: post #516

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The board demonstrated their incompetency in how they fired Sam without communicating this decision to their biggest stakeholder, Microsoft, or with any clear transition plan in place.

The board governs a mission-driven nonprofit, not a profit-focused enterprise where Microsoft has board-level influence as investor. This tension (operating as if it is a startup when it is not) is why Altman was fired.

Stakeholder is not a by-word for shareholder. Microsoft has a very large stake in the outcome of OpenAI’s decisions, even if they aren’t a “shareholder” (if that were a thing) of the OpenAI non-profit.

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by ytoawwhra92 »

rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #775
ytoawwhra92 wrote: post #455

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What's your source for that?

The Forbes article [1] from yesterday: > The plan some investors are considering is to make the board consider the situation “untenable through a combination of mass revolt by senior researchers, withheld cloud computing credits from Microsoft, and a potential lawsuit from investors. [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexkonrad/2023/11/18/openai-in... Edit: Looks like Microsoft just hired Sam outright: https://twitter…

> The plan some investors are considering

vs.

> Microsoft already threatened

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by leoh »

leoh wrote: post #678
tempusalaria wrote: post #637

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Many of OpenAIs most talented people left to start Anthropic. They have billions in funding and have not yet got particularly close to GPT-4. I think that illustrates it will be a be a big uphill battle for any new entrant no matter how well funded or resourced.

The parent post is literally true yet keeps getting downvoted — what a mess HN has become, too

-2 points and a truly shifting +/- situation

@dang — any plans to do anything here

I mean not like you have to but yeah I can think of some stuff that could make this better probably (or at minimum experiments that could be run)

Also not on this post but in general I mean

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by leoh »

leoh wrote: post #678
tempusalaria wrote: post #637

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many of OpenAIs most talented people left to start Anthropic. They have billions in funding and have not yet got particularly close to GPT-4. I think that illustrates it will be a be a big uphill battle for any new entrant no matter how well funded or resourced.

The parent post is literally true yet keeps getting downvoted — what a mess HN has become, too

-2 points and a truly shifting +/- situation

@dang — any plans to do anything here

I mean not like you have to but yeah I can think of some stuff that could make this better probably

I mean not on this post in particular but as an HN issue if we agree it’s kind of degrading the experience and there are indeed likely fixes

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by 15457345234 »

gardenhedge wrote: post #886
karmasimida wrote: post #181

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Discredit people using twitter is a weird take, and didn't resemble critical thinking to me.

Since Twitter has been so controversial I don't think it's strange to discredit people using it. The people still using it are just addicted to attention.

Yup. 'Tweeter' is a personality type.

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Post by xigency »

bongodongobob wrote: post #940
xigency wrote: post #806

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So I’m guessing you have never heard of AWS then…

I'm not talking about cloud. I'm talking about businesses with 1-300 employees. Most of them I've seen use cloud for backups or a few services. Most business stuff is on prem. File storage is probably 50/50 on prem / SharePoint / Google Drive. In the hundreds of business I've worked with, I could count on my 2 hands the number of Linux server I've seen. Most of the stuff they're running doesn't even support Linux.

The organizations that run the most servers, at the largest scale, run Linux. It makes better operational and financial sense. But sure. The Mom and Pops of America still use Windows. (Who ever got fired for buying Windows?) Yet the backbone of the modern Internet, cloud and web, is built on open-sourced software.

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by endorphine »

bmitc wrote: post #592

Through all of this, no one has cogently explained why Altman leaving is such a big deal. Why would workers immediately quit their job when he has no other company, and does he even know who these workers are? Are these people that desperate to make a buck (or the prospect of big bucks)? It seems like half of the people working at the non-profit were not actually concerned about the mission but rather just waiting ou…

I've been wondering the same since the beginning of this story. Couldn't have said it better myself.

I start to believe these workers are mostly financially motivated and that's why they follow him.

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Post by bmitc »

leobg wrote: post #889
Solvency wrote: post #817

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What am I missing here: Sam Altman has zero charisma or cool factor. Every talk I've seen him in, he comes off as lethargic and sluggish. I get zero sense of passion or rallying drive around the hype of AI from him. He's not an AI visionary. He's not a hype man. He simply "is", and just because he happens to have been the CEO he's been thrust into the spotlight, but there's literally nothing interesting about him.

Read what pg has to say about him. He named Altman as one of the top 5 most interesting founders of the last 30 years. > startup investing does not consist of trying to pick winners the way you might in a horse race. But there are a few people with such force of will that they're going to get whatever they want. http://www.paulgraham.com/5founders.html

Paul Graham has a lot of things to say about a lot of things. It doesn't make what he writes right.

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by bongodongobob »

xigency wrote: post #966
bongodongobob wrote: post #940

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not talking about cloud. I'm talking about businesses with 1-300 employees. Most of them I've seen use cloud for backups or a few services. Most business stuff is on prem. File storage is probably 50/50 on prem / SharePoint / Google Drive. In the hundreds of business I've worked with, I could count on my 2 hands the number of Linux server I've seen. Most of the stuff they're running doesn't even support Linux.

The organizations that run the most servers, at the largest scale, run Linux. It makes better operational and financial sense. But sure. The Mom and Pops of America still use Windows. (Who ever got fired for buying Windows?) Yet the backbone of the modern Internet, cloud and web, is built on open-sourced software.

Mom and pop is most of the workforce which is what this site seems to forget. Most people don't work for a fortune 500 company.

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by rramadass »

bmitc wrote: post #592

Through all of this, no one has cogently explained why Altman leaving is such a big deal. Why would workers immediately quit their job when he has no other company, and does he even know who these workers are? Are these people that desperate to make a buck (or the prospect of big bucks)? It seems like half of the people working at the non-profit were not actually concerned about the mission but rather just waiting ou…

> Through all of this, no one has cogently explained why Altman leaving is such a big deal.

Pure f***g Greed. He is basically a front-man for a bunch of VCs/Angels/Influential Business Folks/Shady Investors/etc. who were betting on making big bucks through him.

Unfortunately, Ilya and his philosophical/ethical/moral stance has gotten in their way and hence they have let loose their dogs in the media to play up Sam Altman's "indispensability" to OpenAI.

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