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Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by jquery » Thu, Nov 11, 2021, 4:32 PM UTC

summerlight wrote: post #263

As usual, HN users are making lots of interesting assumptions (some comments to a conspiracy level) on the intention here... But in the reality, there are many smaller creators who is frequently being harassed by trolls (have you heard about those young Chinese patriots trolling over Korean and Japanese channels?) and one of their tool is the dislike button. And creators have been complaining about this for many year…

Not sure when HN took such a turn to the conspiratorial. The signal to noise ratio is getting really low these days, might finally be time to give up on this site, because dang seems uninterested in the problem.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Nov 11, 2021, 4:53 PM UTC

Thorentis wrote: post #905

beezischillin wrote: post #883

This is part of a wider trend in the corporate internet of getting rid of visible user interaction to stop publicising user opinion. News publications have slowly gotten rid of comments sections, Google itself (an entity quite close to the USG) is following suit. Of course I suspect that the idea here is less about creator choice, since they can already hide and filter user interaction to their hearts content and mor…

Yes, Gab made their own browser called Dissenter that added a comment section to every page of the Internet. Interestingly, I can find very little when Googling for it now. I'm sure other projects have tried this too.

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Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

#963

Post by tester756 » Thu, Nov 11, 2021, 4:54 PM UTC

grej wrote: post #833

There is a video on YouTube in which YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki received the Free Expression Award (which were sponsored by YouTube). At the time of the check I just did, that video currently has 227 upvotes and over 56,000 downvotes, making it the worst ratio’ed video on YouTube I have ever seen. That incident may have played a role in this decision.

It's popular take, yet I dont believe she cares about it, lol, why would she?

Just unfortunely she won in contest that YT sponsored, or maybe I'm naive?

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by tester756 » Thu, Nov 11, 2021, 4:55 PM UTC

ehsankia wrote: post #893

grej wrote: post #833

There is a video on YouTube in which YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki received the Free Expression Award (which were sponsored by YouTube). At the time of the check I just did, that video currently has 227 upvotes and over 56,000 downvotes, making it the worst ratio’ed video on YouTube I have ever seen. That incident may have played a role in this decision.

People keep giving these examples as ironic reasons for removing the dislike button, but to me, every one of these examples are perfect examples of how the dislike button is used more as a meme or bullying tactic than a real signal anyways.

Indeed, Youtube gave voice to many people.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Nov 11, 2021, 4:58 PM UTC

Thorentis wrote: post #905

beezischillin wrote: post #883

This is part of a wider trend in the corporate internet of getting rid of visible user interaction to stop publicising user opinion. News publications have slowly gotten rid of comments sections, Google itself (an entity quite close to the USG) is following suit. Of course I suspect that the idea here is less about creator choice, since they can already hide and filter user interaction to their hearts content and mor…

Yes, Gab made their own browser called Dissenter that added a comment section to every page of the Internet. Interestingly, I can find very little when Googling for it now. I'm sure other projects have tried this too.

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Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by tester756 » Thu, Nov 11, 2021, 4:59 PM UTC

notreallyserio wrote: post #240

qwertox wrote: post #4

Hmm. For me the dislike button was informative. If feels like they are trying to create a world where everything can only be good, better, even more better, which just doesn't represent reality. Imagine Stack Overflow only having the option to upvote Questions and Answers. The ratio of likes vs dislikes of a TED talk does help me to decide if I should stop watching a video which just isn't getting better.

Removing downvotes from SO seems like it would be a net good. Instead of downvoting, people could be more encouraged to post better and more correct solutions. A good intermediate solution would be to only record downvotes that come with a comment.

>Removing downvotes from SO seems like it would be a net good. Instead of downvoting, people could be more encouraged to post better and more correct solutions.

and way more spam, no thanks.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

#967

Post by [deleted] » Thu, Nov 11, 2021, 5:34 PM UTC

Thorentis wrote: post #905

beezischillin wrote: post #883

This is part of a wider trend in the corporate internet of getting rid of visible user interaction to stop publicising user opinion. News publications have slowly gotten rid of comments sections, Google itself (an entity quite close to the USG) is following suit. Of course I suspect that the idea here is less about creator choice, since they can already hide and filter user interaction to their hearts content and mor…

Yes, Gab made their own browser called Dissenter that added a comment section to every page of the Internet. Interestingly, I can find very little when Googling for it now. I'm sure other projects have tried this too.

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Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

#968

Post by HNo » Thu, Nov 11, 2021, 5:52 PM UTC

Thorentis wrote: post #905

beezischillin wrote: post #883

This is part of a wider trend in the corporate internet of getting rid of visible user interaction to stop publicising user opinion. News publications have slowly gotten rid of comments sections, Google itself (an entity quite close to the USG) is following suit. Of course I suspect that the idea here is less about creator choice, since they can already hide and filter user interaction to their hearts content and mor…

Yes, Gab made their own browser called Dissenter that added a comment section to every page of the Internet. Interestingly, I can find very little when Googling for it now. I'm sure other projects have tried this too.

It was deemed too dangerous by the powers that be, so it was banned from app stores, the extension was banned by Firefox and Chrome, etc.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

#969

Post by bgro » Thu, Nov 11, 2021, 6:05 PM UTC

summerlight wrote: post #263

As usual, HN users are making lots of interesting assumptions (some comments to a conspiracy level) on the intention here... But in the reality, there are many smaller creators who is frequently being harassed by trolls (have you heard about those young Chinese patriots trolling over Korean and Japanese channels?) and one of their tool is the dislike button. And creators have been complaining about this for many year…

Sometimes people say mean things to me. I guess the solution is to revoke everybody's ability to speak, because that could be used to hurt my feelings.

People keep complaining about harassment at work. I guess the solution is to revoke the ability to file complaints.

The results of elections will now be hidden, because knowing one person got more votes than another might hurt the losing party's feelings.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

#970

Post by lucideer » Thu, Nov 11, 2021, 6:29 PM UTC

greatgib wrote: post #712

> Clearly a flawed conclusion. For the result of their experiment they deduced what they wanted it to say. Because we can easily say that the effect is not "dislike attacking" but other effects: - shy people more afraid to give their opinion not knowing that others have done the same. - the feature feeling useless, as even if you dislike, you might thing that you click will worth nothing as no one will see it. Imagin…

"dislike attacking" is also a very loaded term. Technically it's only referring to the intent of the dislike, but it strongly implies that dislike cause harm.

The opening paragraph seems to equate these "dislike attacks" with "creator harassment" but I'm not seeing any data on dislike constituting a form of harassment.

Don't get me wrong, creators suffer a LOT of online harassment. I'm just very unconvinced dislike buttons are a primary tool of harassers.