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YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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My wife is very vaccine hesitant, and every time they make a move like this to block content or take it down, it only strengthens her position. She thinks they’re taking it down because they don’t want people to know the truth. The only thing worse than bad ideas is the suppression of bad ideas. It’s tragic that we knew this at some point, but are going to have to figure it all back out again the hard way.

But your wife should realized that if she can have her free speech then so can facebook. She's free to peruse odysee and gittr and get all the antivax stuff she could possibly ever want to see.

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Age old follow-up question. Who decides what anti-vaccine content is? Who is going to draw the fine line? How simple (i.e. black and white) is to make this distinction? Do you trust that person / entity making these decisions for you and your peers? But even without defending free speach, looks to me that when you start censoring you just create multiple new problems with zero solution. So even from a design point of…

Not sure, I assume someone reports it then it gets turned over to AI to convert voice->script and compare it to a large set of known antivax rhetoric, if it surpasses a threshold it gets banned and stays that way until the owner asks for a review and then at that point a human probably enters the chat.

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I was hesitant for a while and the massive censorship was part of it. I got vaccinated in May and have convinced others to get the shot since the side effects, while existent, appear to be minor compared to the reduction in harmful symptoms. Talking to my doctor is what did it for me. He cleared up most of my concerns and pressed me that my remaining concerns were too nebulous to be useful. If he just said "shut up a…

It sounds like both you and your mother have both adopted an epistemology that incorporates the perceived amount of censorship, lies, and coercion performed by proponents of some claim into your discernment of the truth value of that claim. Namely, you both seem to have adopted some level of doubt about pro-vaccine claims because you both perceive that proponents of pro-vaccine claims participate in censorship, lies…

Your epistemology argument about special media diets directly contradicts what we read in this article.

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post #807

I myself am vaccinated, but I hold no ill will towards those who do not get it; whatever their reason. And yet, the media is conditioning all of us to hate those people. To shame them. To ignore their reason and free-will. The same people who are rabidly pro-vaccine are generally rabidly pro-choice when it comes to abortion. How does that reconcile? How come the government can sometimes tell you what to do with your…

Those people should understand they have their free speech and so does youtube as a private company. They still have other avenues. Vimeo, odysee, gab, gittr, breitbart. It's just the rest of us don't want to see their drivel.

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Heard this anecdotally from the following link, can't confirm it: Youtube had taken down a video from the creator of mRNA, Dr. Robert Malone. http://www.padrak.com/coronavirus/Dr.%20Sean%20Brooks%20at%2...

The fact that he was talking to Bannon and saying that the vaccines don't work and aren't safe even though 2.5 billion people have been given them is ludicrous. Even doctors can grow stupid over time.

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#966

If I recall correctly, the internet was born from a DARPA project to enable resilient communications that would ensure a nuclear missile launch order would always get through. If so, then it is indeed contrary to the spirit of the internet to block messages on the basis that they guide people to actions which cause harm to existing structures. The internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it. My ques…

youtube isn't the internet. Why should you or I be able to tell Youtube want to host on their own servers? If we don't like it we can go to other services.

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#967

Big Pharma and Marxist Google working hand in hand. Remember Volkswagen diesel emissions scandal? The lawyer who exposed it, who also fought Deutsche Bank in the US now exposes Covid as fraud and mass murder. https://odysee.com/@Corona-Investigative-Committee:5/Reiner-...

Marxist google? You have to be kidding right?

Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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post #50

Someone want to throw out there a better way to combat disinformation than just armchair criticizing their decision? I almost feel like people are siding with the anti-vaxxers out of "principle". Just a no win situation. It's too easy for bad characters to screw up an entire system with little effort (look at trolls, spammers, etc). Either you moderate everyone and slippery slope down into censorship where the tools…

> siding with the anti-vaxxers out of "principle".

A large media company like Google banning content that is heavily politicized by partisan politics is a big threat.

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post #372

It's ironic (or maybe not?) that the comments section here is filled with exactly the kind of anti-vax misinformation that YouTube is trying to take down. To respond to one point I keep reading in here over and over: Getting and recovering from covid does not necessarily give you better protection from disease than getting the vaccine. 1/3 of people who get covid develop no antibodies at all, as compared to 0% of (no…

Ironic how this is devolving into literally a youtube comment section.

My contribution is: there is an actual study from israel that shows that recovered persons were much more (13 times more) protected than vaccinated individuals, and this is direct evidence, not inferences from antibody counts. We also don't know what the effect of vaccine is going to be as the virus mutates (ADE?). In particular, the vaccination of kids is a very contentious issue that requires debate, as kids are not in danger from Covid, thus it presents a major ethical challenge for societies.

Anyway my other contribution is that access to information should not be hindered. However youtube's problem is that it is a medium of manipulation , not a library. It would be against their interest to stop it from being so, therefore they are making the grave error of making themselves arbiters of science.

Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

#970
What we're seeing is essentially the Death of the Free Flow of Information on the Internet;coming concomitant with a pervasive social slide towards Elitism when the whole point of the original revolution was to break down the siloes of power aggregated into gatekeeper hands.

In the Assault on Reason, AL Gore talked about the ability to craft systems that could enable people to create and engage with content in meaningful ways. No doubt viewing YouTube as an antidote to taking people out of a passive TV watching role and towards an active, civically engaged citizen.

The problem is, when anybody can say anything, Everyone will say Everything. YouTube's Really Dumb Idea here is to "mitigate the problem by eliminating discussion." We see how well that worked for the Catholic Church and sexual abuse allegations, the Silent Generation and LGBTQIA rights, etc.

Right after the web exploded in the early 2000s and we were all chanting "Information Wants to Be Free", a large number of us enthusiastically believed in Democracy and Reason. We believed in rational argumentation, with point, counter-point, analysis of biases and nuances, leading towards an ultimately acceptable conclusion.

Instead we got Flat Earth, Anti-vax, and Donald Trump. It's not hard to see why the enthusiasm is failing.

The problem is, it's not The Big Dumb Idiot Public's Fault. It's Ours, as technologists building these platforms.

A +/- button and free-text fields in 2021 is exactly the same technology we were using to talk in 2001, now with far more robots and malicious actors adding noise.

An Obvious Question that has been around since the advent of these technologies, that is in fact inherent in information itself, is "how do we identify Signal from Noise?"

Treating all Anti-Vax view, and even Donald Trump's banned accounts, as just "Noise" are bad precedents.

Rather, we should be leveraging Machine Learning and all the obtrusive user data we're gathering from ad farms to Actually Do Useful Things For Humanity like:

* identifying a user's background and their "conceptual distance" from the topic at hand. Aside from pointing someone to an arcane Wikipedia article likely last edited by an expert into incomprehensible oblivion, how can we determine a "learning path" series of links that can take someone from "completely ignorant" to "common knowledge educated?"

People love anonymity on the internet, but there are times when they don't, as well. (see Facebook's success)

On a random Hot Topic thread in a non-anonymous platform (FB, Twitter), the commenter's background could be probabilistically calculated to inform readers about how likely they are to know what the fuck they're talking about. I. E. If a random computer scientist blowjob like me is mouthing off about how inefficient the vaccine process has been and someone with a PhD in Molecular Biology from a reputable institution that's actively working in a lab developing in a proximal space replies to my comments with counters, that level of expertise needs to be highlighted.

"water flows uphill" and things that are just counter-factual can be detected and auto-flagged.

Actively elevating the discourse by both teaching people And giving easy tools to identify sources, evaluate their credibility, learn the argument space by highlighting the authorities and hubs of different views related to a topic, and ultimately lead to better discussions is Hard... But an infinitely better direction than draconian choices/policies that directly undermine trust in public discourse --which is a core tenet of democracy--.

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