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Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by iaw »

adamiscool8 wrote: post #598
iaw wrote: post #500

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There is one source of information, Rudy Giuliani. Someone with known ties to Russian intelligence claiming that his lawyer received a surprise hard drive from a computer repairman who has an utterly implausible explanation for his acquisition of said drive. Someone who has been known to spread false allegations and conspiracy theories including the claim that Joe Biden is suffering from dementia. The Biden campaign…

>The Biden campaign has records to that time indicating no such meeting took place. This isn't true. They made the specific denial that according to his official schedules from the time, the meeting never happened. And then later quietly also said they "would not rule out the possibility that the former VP had some kind of informal interaction with Pozharskyi, which wouldn’t appear on Biden’s official schedule". [0]…

In my defense, that article was published around the time I was writing the comment.

If I see the DKIM I'll start buying that there's smoke but until then I don't trust the messengers.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by Raptor22 »

CyberRabbi wrote: post #813
Raptor22 wrote: post #805

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I agree with you in principle, however in practice this has been hijacked to spread misinformation with potentially deadly results. This is a very nuanced issue IMO and the answers are not trivial.

The answer is trivial if you believe in the protection of civil rights.

I believe in the protection of civil rights, but I also believe in the devastating effects of misinformation. We need to find a way to protect against the latter while affecting very little the former, but we're just not there yet.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by res0nat0r »

dunkelheit wrote: post #847
res0nat0r wrote: post #741

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> Was the NY Post article actually filled with disinformation? Yes. Parroting Russian disinformation during an election campaign because your owners don't like the politics of said disinformation target should be removed. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/14/biden-campaign-lash... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/14/us/politics/hunter-biden-... There needs to be more censorship on FB and YouTube which are in addit…

Right there in the first article: > There was no immediate indication of Russian involvement in the release of emails that the Post obtained, but its general thrust mirrors a narrative that U.S. intelligence agencies have described as part of an active Russian disinformation effort aimed at the 2020 election. So the only proof that it comes from Russia is basically "that's the kind of thing the Russians would do." Ar…

No, the intelligence agencies already have said this is a Russian disinfo campaign and the Post should be mocked and shunned for knowingly propagating it.

https://twitter.com/nicoleperlroth/status/131658513181811507...

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by orthecreedence »

orthecreedence wrote: post #351
googthrowaway42 wrote: post #252

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You're thinking of libertarians, not conservatives.

If we're being precise, you're thinking of neo libertarians. "Libertarians" are traditionally libertarian-socialists (anarchists).

Downvotes because I'm wrong, or because of butthurt neolibertarians don't know the history of the word they've co-opted?

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by CamperBob2 »

Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #863
CamperBob2 wrote: post #827

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Since the roles are not reversed, they're working together to bury it and trying to pretend it doesn't exist, because they're con-artists Yeah, I remember when the editor-in-chief at WaPo settled a Federal suit for $20M to avoid facing charges for his role in running a fraudulent university. Good times. Then there was the NYT board member whose namesake cancer charity foundation was shut down by the state attorney ge…

Ad hominem. Trump may be awful, but that has no bearing on the argument you're responding to.

I especially like how I'm guilty of an ad-hominem fallacy, while the person calling their opponents "con artists" while citing no evidence whatsoever wasn't.

Re-examine your own biases, then post.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by CamperBob2 »

thu2111 wrote: post #848
res0nat0r wrote: post #741

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> Was the NY Post article actually filled with disinformation? Yes. Parroting Russian disinformation during an election campaign because your owners don't like the politics of said disinformation target should be removed. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/14/biden-campaign-lash... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/14/us/politics/hunter-biden-... There needs to be more censorship on FB and YouTube which are in addit…

What was the "disinformation" exactly? YouTube has spent the summer censoring doctors because their views didn't match the WHO. The WHO has changed its own views so much that it's now contradicted itself many times, showing how terribly naive Google's policies are on this. Google never used to be naive, but clearly, times have changed.

Unfortunately this is 100% true.

The real problem is that YouTube inexplicably chose to base its public health "ground truth" on WHO guidelines, when as a US company their appropriate source would have been the CDC. The two were often in conflict, particularly with regard to civilian usage of masks.

The WHO spent a lot of time being wrong -- or, at best, confusing -- and a lot of people got sick unnecessarily as a result.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by ehsankia »

dahfizz wrote: post #578
ehsankia wrote: post #553

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Can someone explain why it even matters. I know HN isn't for politics but I don't understand why having dinner with your son's work friend is that big of a deal. Trump, who is the President (not VP), meets regularly with all sorts of people who spend money at his resort and other businesses and no one cares about that.

> Trump, who is the President (not VP), meets regularly with all sorts of people who spend money at his resort and other businesses and no one cares about that. I hear people (rightly) complain about this all the time. > Can someone explain why it even matters. I think it matters because Joe has denied any participation at all with his sons business dealings. The emails explicitly mention using influence, buying time…

> I hear people (rightly) complain about this all the time.

Sure, and you can complain, but Trump has already called for Biden and even Obama to be jailed. I could see this turning into "lock him up" chants in a few days.

> Joe has denied any participation at all with his sons business dealings

Having dinner with someone doesn't imply that. If there was anything actionable that came out of that meeting, then yes, but there's no proof of that. Just having dinner with someone proves nothing.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by ehsankia »

jdminhbg wrote: post #554
ehsankia wrote: post #544

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I'm not sure what you're implying, Buzzfeed News is independent from Buzzfeed (the clickbait site) and they do real journalism.

So real they get themselves into obvious lying situations: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/19/business/media/buzzfeed-n... Buzzfeed News doesn’t have listicles, but it doesn’t have journalistic standards either.

How was that a lie? The statement from Mueller's team was vague and hardly a real rebuttal. It just says that it's not accurate and provides no clarification at all.

They had two independent government sources, which doesn't even come close to comparing to this story where the entire source is a single repairman who can't even get their story straight.

And there's a very big difference between being fed wrong information from two sources and not doing enough to verify it, in a time where said information could be crucial, vs "lying" as you imply, which is what NY Post is doing.

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Post by Wolfenstein98k »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #965
Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #863

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Ad hominem. Trump may be awful, but that has no bearing on the argument you're responding to.

I especially like how I'm guilty of an ad-hominem fallacy, while the person calling their opponents "con artists" while citing no evidence whatsoever wasn't. Re-examine your own biases, then post.

Name-calling isn't ad hom.

Poster didn't say "they are con artists", they said "they are doing this and this, because they are con artists".

Your response was tu quoque mixed with ad hom: "oh yeah? Well the other guy is a bad person!"

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by zaroth »

nullc wrote: post #806
zaroth wrote: post #690

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The NY Post story allegedly includes a picture of an FBI subpoena for the laptop in question.

I keep expecting to see a FBI response. "That subpoena never existed" or "We issued it and didn't find anything credible to forward to the DOJ" or "We don't comment on ongoing cases." ... I'm not sure what silence means.

The FBI referred questions about its seizure of the laptop and hard drive to the Delaware US Attorney’s Office, where a spokesperson said, “My office can neither confirm nor deny the existence of an investigation.”
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