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The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by surgical_fire »

throwaway85825 wrote: post #894
kfreds wrote: post #570

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I'm sorry to hear that. I'm not defending his choice, but consider reading Daniel's rationale in the Flamman article. There's also his blog [1], which explains some of his views. I know he doesn't share all of Örebropartiets views, but I should let him provide that nuance. As I said in another comment, speaking for myself, I don’t like that he made this donation and I know this view is shared by many of my colleagues…

>I don’t like that he made this donation and I know this view is shared by many of my colleagues. Its a strange world now where everyone is expected to have a public opinion on everyone else's opinions to keep them in line. Very anti privacy, anti freedom, and against plurality of opinion.

That's... Not really what is happening here.

The guy who made the donation is entitled to his opinions. No one is questioning his right to make a donation.

People are, however, that by paying for the services of a company he owns, they are as a second order effect financing politics they find repugnant.

Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by account42 »

bigyabai wrote: post #780
JuniperMesos wrote: post #754

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I'm a long-time Mullvad customer, and I respect what the company has been doing and the pro-privacy political stance it openly and publicly stands for. I agree that Daniel's private donation to a political party is not part of Mullvad's values or mission, and shouldn't be. But what I do care about, strongly, is that Mullvad as a company doesn't bow to pressure from pro-immigration activists who are attempting to impo…

> Which is of course why people are publicizing this donation and publicly stating that they will no longer do business with Mullvad because of it. But you're doing the same thing, making the same threat. You've only escalated it from a conscientious protest to a Mexican stand off. I'm not icked-out by immigration discussion, but I am concerned by business owners starting down a political path. VPNs are not a very gl…

> But you're doing the same thing, making the same threat.

"I'll boycott you if you keep supporting free speech" and "I'll boycott you if you stop supporting free speech" are hardly the same thing, especially when aimed at a company whose business is all about free speech, which at the dismay of some people also includes speech you don't like.

Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by animuchan »

kfreds wrote: post #570
WhitneyLand wrote: post #509

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Fredrik, while acknowledging everything you said, the fact remains some of my money can end up empowering politics I find repugnant. If it were a small amount of money, it wouldn’t be an issue. If the politics at stake were less important, it wouldn’t be an issue. They’re not going to stop at immigration, look at other places in the world to see the future risk. Sorry, I was a paying and satisfied customer, and now I…

I'm sorry to hear that. I'm not defending his choice, but consider reading Daniel's rationale in the Flamman article. There's also his blog [1], which explains some of his views. I know he doesn't share all of Örebropartiets views, but I should let him provide that nuance. As I said in another comment, speaking for myself, I don’t like that he made this donation and I know this view is shared by many of my colleagues…

I wonder if by this thread's logic, it is now my turn to virtue signal as if I'm leaving Mullvad as a customer, because now you said that don't like someone else's freedom of conscience, and I value freedom of conscience.

Such a bad place we're in: people say they value "freedom", but then you can't choose you own political representation without being witch-hunted to death by the same "freedom" group.

(I honestly think that the perfect response in this case would be to support the cofounder, if anything, to make their own choices, and refuse to hate on the person's political leaning. But alas, the chains of freedom are super heavy.)

Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by tremorscript »

Oh no :-( but why the far right? You can sponsor sensible politics and politicians so that we get more of those.

I am a very happy customer since the service is extremely very good, the vpn problem was solved and I am so sorry but the smallest amount that I pay even if it is 0.01 cent cannot go to support the far right(or the far left).

Sorry.

But now the problem is to find a decent vpn service that is not private equity or malware.

Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by asdewqqwer »

animuchan wrote: post #954
kfreds wrote: post #570

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry to hear that. I'm not defending his choice, but consider reading Daniel's rationale in the Flamman article. There's also his blog [1], which explains some of his views. I know he doesn't share all of Örebropartiets views, but I should let him provide that nuance. As I said in another comment, speaking for myself, I don’t like that he made this donation and I know this view is shared by many of my colleagues…

I wonder if by this thread's logic, it is now my turn to virtue signal as if I'm leaving Mullvad as a customer, because now you said that don't like someone else's freedom of conscience, and I value freedom of conscience. Such a bad place we're in: people say they value "freedom", but then you can't choose you own political representation without being witch-hunted to death by the same "freedom" group. (I honestly th…

At 21 century, especially on a topic regarding Europe, I thought we should have long learnt the lesson from how problematic Legal Positivism and naive "freedom" is from Weimarer Republik‘s constitution.

In short, freedom should at least maintain the capability of preserving basic poltical freedom. From my understanding of that party, they are clearly against other people's existing political freedom.

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Post by account42 »

froh wrote: post #423
storus wrote: post #360

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> against whoever is labeled as intolerant No. that's exactly not what is said. it only is applicable to organisations and people who very clearly express not only some disagreement, but their intolerance and their plan and intent to enforce suppression of dissent once in power. and then suppression of whatever they are intolerant of. and the far right very clearly announces that they will "eradicate" and "put to the…

So in other words anyone whose politics you don't agree with is intolerant because you can come with hypothetical extremes in your head.

Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by framapotari »

lightbulbish wrote: post #58

I'm Swedish, but never heard of Örebropartiet before. I tried looking into their website and it doesn't say a lot. Translated from Swedish wikipedia: --- Örebropartiet was founded by Markus Allard in the spring of 2014, when he was recently expelled from the Left Party and the Young Left. [...] Among the party's main issues are reduced politicians' salaries, reduced bureaucracy, civil servant responsibility, assimila…

> Inclusion means also including people with different beliefs and respecting their opinions, even if we don't share them.

Does this apply to immigrants?

Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by Parae »

akimbostrawman wrote: post #931
Parae wrote: post #928

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You're confusing causation and correlation. There are no links between asylum seekers, refugees and gangs, and crimes. What leads to crime is not welcoming refugees, it's leaving people on the back in a state of precariousness.

>There are no links between asylum seekers, refugees and gangs, and crimes. Criminal statistics and per capita would disagree

It is a consensus among sociological studies. Statistics are not studies. It means nothing.

Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by Parae »

leereeves wrote: post #932
Parae wrote: post #928

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You're confusing causation and correlation. There are no links between asylum seekers, refugees and gangs, and crimes. What leads to crime is not welcoming refugees, it's leaving people on the back in a state of precariousness.

> leaving people on the back in a state of precariousness. What do you mean? Don't they benefit from Sweden's generous educational and welfare systems in addition to extra support for migrants?

Have you ever tried to seek for basic rights and support for migrants in EU ? I help lot's of immigrants in France. I'm always told that France is very generous and that it's easy to have healthcare, easy to go to a doctor for free.

Yet, in my experience, it's horribly difficult and expensive.

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