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The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by dgellow »

kamaitachi wrote: post #134
kfreds wrote: post #118

Hi, Mullvad has two owners, founders, and CEOs - Daniel Berntsson, and me, Fredrik Strömberg. All posts I've seen yesterday and today, including the newspaper articles, talk about Mullvad as if Daniel is the single owner, founder and CEO. It should be obvious that Daniel's private donation to a political party is not part of Mullvad's values or mission. If you have any questions, comments or concerns you're welcome t…

Hi Fredrik I’m a long time Mullvad customer, likely paid Mullvad upward of 400€ in the past number of years, as well as recommended it to friends and family members. What you seem to be missing in your comment, is that some of that money I paid, found its way to support an organisation that has extreme racist views. I’ve reached out to support and requested a refund of my outstanding credit. I’ll be moving on.

Not just “support”, it’s literally the main source of funds for the party. >70% of donations. If it was a small donation that would be sort of controversial but maybe defendable, but here we are talking about funding pretty much the whole party

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Post by KaiserPro »

al_borland wrote: post #390
guerrilla wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nationalist, sure. That's pretty far-right by itself. The fact that they want mass deportations should solidify it for you though.

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> celebrate that culture.

The party explicitly votes against paying for local culture

> wanting to protect

There is a big difference for wanting to protect culture, as in celebrate, educate and promote, and removing people from the land that has that culture. I would say the two are orthogonal.

For example, a huge influence on the British music scene comes from either getting pissed in Hamburg, or music coming from the Caribbean. None of which could have happened if people were dead set on "re-migration" (ie removing non "white" people.)

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Post by froh »

storus wrote: post #360
vrganj wrote: post #120

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Hi Fredrik, long time user of your service. I have to say, this is a disappointing message. The thing about intolerant movements is that tolerance doesn't fix them, it makes them worse and lets them accumulate power until they can destroy the tolerant. I'd recommend reading Karl Popper and his Paradox of Tolerance, which he formulated after seeing this exact thing play out in his native Austria with the rise of the N…

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> against whoever is labeled as intolerant

No. that's exactly not what is said.

it only is applicable to organisations and people who very clearly express not only some disagreement, but their intolerance and their plan and intent to enforce suppression of dissent once in power. and then suppression of whatever they are intolerant of.

and the far right very clearly announces that they will "eradicate" and "put to their (lower) place" whatever. immigrants. homosexuals. transgender humans. wom(b)en.

if you tolerate _that_, even pay for it, in times of ai boosted slander, you get queers in prisons, pregnant teenagers, and a few much richer very rich people.

Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by legacynl »

addedGone wrote: post #376
al_borland wrote: post #367

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s called voting with your wallet. People in America do this, and are told to do this, all the time. What would you like them to do? Roll over on the co-CEO and throw him under the bus, signaling to everyone that there is a “correct” point of view to have that Mullvad as a company is going to push and promote? Individuals should be allowed to think and do what they want as an individual, as long as it isn’t comprom…

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> It's common-sense, not an OPINION to deport illegal immigrants

It's not though. More immigrants mean more people buying products, paying taxes on them, supporting local business, more people contributing to the economy in general. Another important factor is that most european populations are aging, meaning that the ratio of working people versus older people who stopped working, is reaching unsustainable levels. Without migrants, our economies will be seriously hampered.

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Post by sudonem »

Insanity wrote: post #371
devindotcom wrote: post #297

I understand Mullvad has historically been a leader in privacy among the big VPN options. What are some other equally affordable and user friendly options that you all have been satisfied with? Think for someone who saw Mullvad advertised during the Super Bowl but looking to leave because of this news.

I haven’t used Mullvad, so can’t say how it compares to ProtonVPN but I’m happy with Proton. It is super easy to set up, even on Linux and iOS devices.

It’s worth noting that Proton’s CEO is also known to be a supporter of right-wing causes.

There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. I keep along the effort, but it just continues to be impossible.

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Post by vrganj »

storus wrote: post #360
vrganj wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi Fredrik, long time user of your service. I have to say, this is a disappointing message. The thing about intolerant movements is that tolerance doesn't fix them, it makes them worse and lets them accumulate power until they can destroy the tolerant. I'd recommend reading Karl Popper and his Paradox of Tolerance, which he formulated after seeing this exact thing play out in his native Austria with the rise of the N…

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> When our enemies say: well, we gave you the freedom of opinion back then - yeah, you gave it to us, that's in no way evidence that we should return the favor! Your stupidity shall not be contagious! That you granted it to us is evidence of how dumb you are!

-- Joseph Goebbels, 1935

The whole point is that fascist movements will abuse your tolerance to build themselves up to a position where they can take it away from you. The only answer is to not tolerate the intolerant.

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Post by [deleted] »

kfreds wrote: post #118

Hi, Mullvad has two owners, founders, and CEOs - Daniel Berntsson, and me, Fredrik Strömberg. All posts I've seen yesterday and today, including the newspaper articles, talk about Mullvad as if Daniel is the single owner, founder and CEO. It should be obvious that Daniel's private donation to a political party is not part of Mullvad's values or mission. If you have any questions, comments or concerns you're welcome t…

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Post by Tarq0n »

addedGone wrote: post #376
al_borland wrote: post #367

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s called voting with your wallet. People in America do this, and are told to do this, all the time. What would you like them to do? Roll over on the co-CEO and throw him under the bus, signaling to everyone that there is a “correct” point of view to have that Mullvad as a company is going to push and promote? Individuals should be allowed to think and do what they want as an individual, as long as it isn’t comprom…

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There is a more nuanced argument against deportation as a policy. First of all it causes migrants to destroy their documentation and to be less coöperative with the immigration process. Second, some migrant countries refuse repatriation, which is currently an unsolved problem. Finally there's something to be said for immigrants to be registered regardless of status, rather than incentivising them to avoid authorities.

Now some of these problems could be solved, but there's a legitimate argument that the policy causes more problems than it solves.

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Post by KaiserPro »

stefanfisk wrote: post #160

To be fair, Örebropartiet can also be called an extreme left party. It’s complicated… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96rebro_Party

Does it matter if they are left or right?

The point is, they want to round up lawful citizens and turf them out of the country because they have the audacity to be slightly foreign, or worse born to someone foreign.

that is the issue, not how much tax/spend big/little government.

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