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Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

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Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

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One major utility of prediction markets is to get good estimates of probabilities of future events.

That's an interesting idea, though of course while we've done that with crop or livestock futures, we seem to have coped pretty well without betting on absolutely everything until now.

We usually cope well before inventions improve things.

I don't know if prediction markets will be an important improvement, but it might be, so we should let them run.

Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

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Not sure why you're being downvoted, you're absolutely correct. https://responsiblestatecraft.org/russia-ukraine-war-isw/

They are being downvoted because Nuland is an utterly insignificant diplomat, but serves well as a dog whistle for people who subscribe to the belief that the Maidan revolution in Ukraine was really some Obama organized coup. This is a story peddled by the Russian government, which of course is where Yanukovych promptly fled after having protestors shot. At the same time Russia was busy staging troops and material fo…

Yes, insignificant enough to remark "Yats is our guy" (during an intercepted but confirmed-authentic conversation with another US diplomat that Russia subsequently leaked), only for "Yats" (Arseniy Yatsenyuk) to subsequently become the Ukrainian PM. Coincidence, I'm sure...

Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

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Followed by the sentence "A cursory search of our writings and our website shows this to be false." Would you honestly genuinely describe this as "a thoroughly pro-Russian think tank"? Dishonesty

It is clear that the opinion it's pro-Russian is widespread enough they need to make advance disclaimers. You wanted "a single example backing up the claim", you got one - from the horse's mouth.

You have again failed to meet the characterization of "a thoroughly pro-Russian think tank". If you are unable to find any actual evidence that fits that description then you should just admit as much

Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

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In this case the threats all seemed to be delivered in Hebrew, so it's plausible that those involved resided in Israel.

Because translation is so very hard?

Yes, for colloquial speech to be plausible to a native speaker.

Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

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Was I a sucker for believing that Kalshi was going to [e.g.] help farmers hedge against drought years or is the problem just morally bankrupt selection of events?

We already have an extremely complicated system of farm insurance and commodity futures for that.

Yep Kalshi is at best only shrinking the scale of things a farmer could bet on instead of getting proper old style crop insurance (either yield or revenue). It's just cloaking a weather slot machine in "we're helping farmers" language. Agri-washing their betting market if you will.

Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

#956

I really wonder whether privacy would actually be the answer here --- prediction markets as they are now where the odds are public really shouldn't be called prediction markets, they should be called "outcome-shaping markets" because largely that is what they do, they let people shape real-world outcomes with massive amounts of liquidity. If instead these were privacy protocols where you can see how much liquidity is…

This doesn't make any sense… If you want to bet on a binary outcome without knowing how much other participants are betting on the 2 possible outcomes, that's a bookie, not a prediction market. The entire rationale for claiming that prediction markets "aren't just gambling" and have a legitimate social value is that they surface sentiment and valuation in a transparent and credible way. (And that's even before we get…

You're still making a prediction, it's just much less likely to affect the outcome

I personally think that entire social value rationale is actually what makes prediction markets dangerous / socially bad

Seeing the total liquidity, fine, seeing the odds in real time, really really bad, will shape real-world outcomes vs if the market didn't exist once liquidity is high enough

Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

#957

I really wonder whether privacy would actually be the answer here --- prediction markets as they are now where the odds are public really shouldn't be called prediction markets, they should be called "outcome-shaping markets" because largely that is what they do, they let people shape real-world outcomes with massive amounts of liquidity. If instead these were privacy protocols where you can see how much liquidity is…

> but no one can decrypt how much liquidity is on each side until the outcome executes This would remove the supposed purpose of prediction markets, where you can get information about the probability of an event based on how much people are betting on it.

I mean the real purpose is to make money on intelligence-based bets. And what's great is after the fact when everything decrypts you would still get to see the exact timeline of sentiment as it changes, completely undisturbed by the market's existence. This is extremely good data for designing systems to make the correct prediction next time based on things happening in the real world, instead of following the herd and looking for tea leaves in the odds graph. It's the only way to get pure, dollar-weighted sentiment data without the market skewing itself.

Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

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> Obviously this is a horrible use case, and I'm not sure if such websites actually exist or are just rumors. polymarket has an @died tag, which I assume is for betting on people's deaths (I never used the site, and it's currently inaccessible) given apparently someone recently made half a mil betting on Khamenei's death, and a cool billion was traded on bets on the timing of the bombing of iran https://www.npr.org/2…

nit: The article you linked says half a billion, not a billion. Death markets are banned in the US. Personally, I tend to think of this as a crypto problem, not a prediction market problem.

It's also fundamentally something you can't really do properly in crypto. You need a central authority to decide if "thing has happened". There's no way to properly incentivize accuracy in cases where the majority of stake benefits from an inaccuracy.

Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

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What would that difference be?

Well, one involves two teams of consenting players involved in a game. The other involves the brutal deaths and suffering of exponentially more innocent people than those who want to be involved.

No, that's the fundamental difference between a sports event and a war. Which is obvious and not what was asked.

The question was, what if any is the fundamental difference between betting on a sports event vs a war?

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