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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Phone was in his right hand (our left) and gun was holstered near his other hand. The gun went off into the ground as P320s are known to do when they removed it from him and officers reacted.

It's fascinating how Trump voters are able to reshape their reality to fit the Party's official line. All these years I thought Orwell was exaggerating...

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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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This. As much as I would like to say 'individual responsibility' and all that, the sheer amount of information that is designed to make one follow a specific path, react in specific way or offer opinion X is crazy. I am not entirely certain what the solution is, but I am saying this as a person, who likes to think I am somewhat aware of attempts to subvert my judgment and I still catch myself learning ( usually later…

Who is most responsible for stopping Trump from doing horrible shit? Besides of course, Trump himself. Surely that must be his base, yes? Then followed by Americans at large. It’s surely not, say, Canada’s responsibility, no? There’s a spectrum of responsibility, and you can find out who is at the top of that spectrum of those that think the thing is bad, and hold them at least morally responsible. In this case, yes,…

There are, admittedly, layers do this post I don't think I have time to properly analyze, but I will do my best to be brief.

First, note that I did not mention anyone specific, but the poster chose to read my words that described a generic state of propaganda wielded by various power centers specifically as related to Trump.

Apart from the obvious that it now forces us to read the remaining posts with that lens, it also suggests that the poster is oblivious to other sources of propaganda.

I am not particularly certain where that incessant need to end each sentence with a question demanding approval/acknowledgement comes from, but I did see it pop up in other languages suggesting it is not exactly an organic growth.

That said, as phrased, if it is his base, then the answer seems to be that his base is ok with it. But, and it is not a small but, base is not an individual and I would like you to carefully consider whether applying the same lens based on political leaning is.. well.. smart. Things tend go awry with group punishments.

In your own words, what does that mean.. exactly?

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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>to make them think and act in specific ways. with the kind of images that are out in the open for everybody with their own eyes to see, if that does not move you in your heart of hearts, where no government or anyone else can touch you, there is something rotten in that person. Governments and authority figures can show you a lot of things but the amount of people who not just accept it, but gleefully celebrate the…

The problem is that by the time some people encounter these shocking images and videos of mass human torture, their priors have already been developed to reject their eyes and ears in favor of what the people with whom they've entrusted their safety tell them. These people think Charlie Kirk was on the frontlines of personal freedom, but look the other way when a man gets tackled and shot in broad daylight for trying…

Yes.. do I get to get between DEA and their intended target? No? If not, why not. If yes, why yes? The framing is silly.

The death may be tragic and very much avoidable, but it was avoidable on both ends of this interaction. There is no comparison to Kirk here at all. He came to talk to people. Pretti went there as part of a signal group coordinating to obstruct a federal enforcement agency..

Ngl.. how people choose their heroes is beyond me.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Nobody thinks that. They are there for money.

That’s just not true. There are plenty of people in defense tech that clearly believe they are doing the right thing. Same with those in the military. Their version of “right” is just different than yours. To them, ensuring American hegemony is more right than whatever your definition is.

Those material interests are very persuasive though. Without them, who knows what they might believe.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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It’s not gonna happen. The people who work at Palantir, if they’re not just there for the money, think they’re doing the right thing, they see themselves as keeping the country safe and improving government efficiency (and who could be against that?)

Yes. These are the same people that will cry about chat control while pushing heinous privacy violations for their right wing overlords.

Many "libertarians" seem to be far more concerned about the age of consent than the size of the military or police force for some reason.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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the migration was legal. you're not an "illegal" when you drive with an expired license are you? so quotes is appropriate when using the term as a title instead of a verb.

> you're not an "illegal" when you drive with an expired license are you? You are. Why do you think licenses have expiration dates? It legally authorises you to perform specific activity within specific timeframe. Any activity without license is illegal. By same logic you can't stay in the house you legally rented previously. Surprised those simple concepts need elaboration.

No, you're being intentionally oblivious to justify something negative. You have done something illegal, that is not in contest. But people are not labeled "illegal" when their license expires. They're called out based on the specific thing they did. You can say "this person migrated illegally", that's different than saying "this person is an illegal", as if their very existence and presence is illegal, that's the insinuation and you're intentionally avoiding that. The fact that migrating illegally is is indeed illegal, and that illegal migrants, or those who stay here illegally must be removed has not been contested by anyone serious. You're advocating a stance that goes further than that and dehumanizes these people. You should lookup the videos of wailing children in detection camps with no heating in winter, migrants being strangled to death and beating in black sites, even US citizens being abducted and removed from the country - that's the propaganda you're supporting by claiming the people themselves are illegal as opposed to they committed something illegal and need to face lawful consequences. You don't need to be cruel and inhumane to enforce the law (in fact this is specifically prohibited by the constitution). There are people that enjoy and revel in the inhumanity and cruelty, I hope you're not on that side of things. It might cost a lot, but it is reasonably possible to locate, lawfully process (courts/lawyers) and remove every person that is not present in the US lawfully.

> By same logic you can't stay in the house you legally rented previously.

If you did, you'd be called a squatter, not "an illegal". Even squatters who take over someone's home have rights. Everyone gets due process. You foolishness is that you think because they're migrants, however they're treated won't affect you. I don't care what demographic group you're in, you'll be called an illegal soon enough. Words matter, the whole law is just a bunch of words.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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FWIW, people here illegally are already not eligible for Medicaid, [0] so it's hard to see why ICE having access to a roster of Medicaid enrollees would help them with their stated mission of enforcing removal orders. Then again, we have ICE shooting American citizens in the streets, so I guess the law is whatever they decide it is, not least because our legislative branch is uninterested in laws. https://www.congres…

What about finding them through the records of their citizen children? Edit: cael450 has already offered a specific example of this threat vector: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46758387

This is really insane levels of evil.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Any time I see people say "I don't see why I should care about my privacy, I've got nothing to hide" I think about how badly things can go if the wrong people end up in positions of power. The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agen…

"Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say" ~ Edward Snowden

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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post #407

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A lot of people who support the current US government do not want the laws to be enforced, they just want to see people who look brown or foreigners to be deported, regardless of if they are in the US legally or illegally. The immigration laws are saying that we should stop illegal immigration, but respect the legal immigration. And because of that, it means that each case should be carefully treated to discover if t…

@cauch: let me ask you this: how do you weed out the illegals besides asking for proof or citizenship or proof of a passport visa that you are in the US legally?

People cannot live without money. A huge swath of illegal immigrants work for money. Wouldn't it make sense to target the individuals who are _hiring_ them rather than the actual laborers themselves? This logic seems to work perfectly fine when cracking down on drug use, but seems completely ignored when it comes to immigration. (Yes, I'm aware ICE cracks down on some employers, but it's obvious this isn't their primary strategy.)

Seriously, think about it. If _you_ were tasked with cracking down on the immigration situation, what would you do in good faith? Send masked goons to check every single individual's papers and rough up people who can't show them? Or just send men in suits to every labor operation and ask for their I-9s, at 100x less cost? It's absolutely mind-boggling to me that people even assume a shred of good faith from the current administration here. This is terrorism, not law enforcement.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Why would Medicaid have the data of anyone who is at risk of immigration enforcement? The reported connection seems tenuous: > The tool – dubbed Enhanced Leads Identification & Targeting for Enforcement (ELITE) – receives peoples’ addresses from the Department of Health and Human Services (which includes Medicaid) and other sources, 404 Media reports based on court testimony in Oregon by law enforcement agents, among…

Pam Bondi is now demanding voter rolls. It's clearly about suppressing liberal voters in liberal areas through a show of force. They're using this data to optimize who to harass.

If you think making sure only citizens can vote equals "suppressing liberal voters", that sound like a big self report. The voter lists don't tell you how people voted, it only tells you who did.
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