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Re: Linux is good now

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Post by Gareth321 »

causal wrote: post #760
shadowdev1 wrote: post #287

(cue arrogance) People on HackerNews complaining about Linux Desktop is pretty disappointing. You guys are supposed to be the real enthusiasts... you can make it work. (cue superiority complex) I've been using Linux Desktop for over 10 years. It's great for literally everything. Gaming admittedly is like 8/10 for compatibility, but I just use a VM with PCIe passthrough to pass in a gpu and to load up a game for windo…

Big fan of Linux. Use various distros daily. That said, tech folk routinely underestimate how much they rely on their own technical skill. Try using Linux for a week without ever opening a terminal. Terminal is a "f this I'm going back to Windows" button for most people.

I strongly agree. I’m technical but I hate using the CLI for consumer oriented tasks. I feel strongly that all controls should be in the UI space. Once in a while I install a new distro to see how it’s coming along. I always hit roadblocks and need to use the CLI for something. It’s clear that the developers like the CLI and think it’s no big deal to use it, so users should just conform. That’s not how the real world works. They either meet the users where they are, or Linux remains niche.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by Gareth321 »

kentonv wrote: post #256
Biganon wrote: post #228

I'm tired of people saying Steam on Linux just works. It doesn't. Tried running Worms: instant crash, no error message. Tried running Among Us: instant crash, had to add cryptic arguments to the command line to get it to run. Tried running Parkitect: crashes after 5 minutes. These three games are extremely simple, graphically speaking. They don't use any complicated anti-cheat measure. This shouldn't be complicated,…

These games are all rated gold or platinum on protondb, indicating that they work perfectly for most people. Hard to say what might be going wrong for you without more details. I would guess there's something wrong with your video driver. Maybe you have an nvidia card and the OS has installed the nouveau drivers by default? Installing the nvidia first-party drivers (downloaded from the nvidia web site) will fix a lot…

FYI the ProtonDB medal system is not a good measurement of a game’s performance. The founder has admitted in the past that he would have used a different rating system if he had to do it again. That’s why he created the newer “Click to Play” rating system. Only 13% of the top 1,000 games are rated Tier 1, and even that doesn’t guarantee Windows-like performance, as there are tens of thousands of issue reports across those games.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by Gareth321 »

gf000 wrote: post #743
Biganon wrote: post #727

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I've been using Arch for 15 years, it's not like I'm suddenly discovering the concept of the distro. But when something crashes with no error message whatsoever, it makes it a tiny bit harder to troubleshoot. Especially when so many people answer, just like I had predicted, "works on my machine". Which would only be a gotcha if I had implied it worked on no machine whatsoever. Which I didn't. I'll tinker some more an…

Well then look at the logs? Sure it's not as in-your-face, but steam/proton does log and I'm fairly sure that a combination of at most setting a command invocation parameter, looking at the game logs and system logs will show you the exact problem and given that these games run just fine for a lot of people, the fix is probably trivial.

> Well then look at the logs?

Counter point: I don’t have to look at the logs to discover obscure error reports to spend my weekend debugging something which works flawlessly on Windows. We shouldn’t have to do that.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by gf000 »

Gareth321 wrote: post #953
gf000 wrote: post #743

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Well then look at the logs? Sure it's not as in-your-face, but steam/proton does log and I'm fairly sure that a combination of at most setting a command invocation parameter, looking at the game logs and system logs will show you the exact problem and given that these games run just fine for a lot of people, the fix is probably trivial.

> Well then look at the logs? Counter point: I don’t have to look at the logs to discover obscure error reports to spend my weekend debugging something which works flawlessly on Windows. We shouldn’t have to do that.

You don't have to look at logs either in case of games and hardware combos that do run flawlessly on Linux, which is a huge chunk of all games.

But feel free to try to run a game with a missing video card driver (as you likely miss something like that) and the like on windows. I would say it's an even worse experience.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by chuckadams »

rasmus-kirk wrote: post #751
sroerick wrote: post #401

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What do you use and/or suggest?

Not the guy you're replying to but Home manager: https://rasmuskirk.com/articles/2024-07-24_dont-use-nixos/

There's one sentence in there I wanted to call out:

> Everything had to be done the “Nix Way”

Funny thing, what eventually drew me into using NixOS was a comment on some random forum (long since lost the reference) from what appeared to be an experienced NixOS veteran that said pretty much the opposite: that NixOS is as pure or impure as you want it to be. Want purely declarative everything? Do everything with Nix expressions, be it classic derivations or flakes. Want stateful package management? Install stuff to your profile. Or even install devbox and run homebrew in it. I've come to see the benefits in doing things "the Nix Way", but it's pragmatic enough that you're not entirely locked in. You just can't make any assumptions about what PATH looks like.

So while the rest of my system is defined as a flake, the one thing I haven't fully embraced on NixOS is home-manager, and I've only just started adopting that in a piecewise fashion. Meanwhile I'm defining a flake per project on my mac to replace all the other version-manager thingies I'd been using, but I still find nix-darwin a step too far.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by cindyllm »

digiown wrote: post #364
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #307

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I'd be less antianticheat if I could just select the handcuffs at boot time for the rare occasion where I need them. Although even then I'd still have qualms about paying for the creation of something that might pave the path for hardware vendors to work with authoritarian governments to restrict users to approved kernel builds. The potential harms are just not in the same league as whatever problems it might solve f…

Once a slave, always a slave. Running an explicitly anti-user proprietary kernel module that does god-knows-what is not something I'd ever be willing to do, games be damned. It might just inject exploits into all of your binaries and you'd be none the wiser. Since it wouldn't work on VMs you'd have to use a dedicated physical machine for it. Seems to high of a price to play just a few games.

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Re: Linux is good now

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Post by sagarm »

Gareth321 wrote: post #951
causal wrote: post #760

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Big fan of Linux. Use various distros daily. That said, tech folk routinely underestimate how much they rely on their own technical skill. Try using Linux for a week without ever opening a terminal. Terminal is a "f this I'm going back to Windows" button for most people.

I strongly agree. I’m technical but I hate using the CLI for consumer oriented tasks. I feel strongly that all controls should be in the UI space. Once in a while I install a new distro to see how it’s coming along. I always hit roadblocks and need to use the CLI for something. It’s clear that the developers like the CLI and think it’s no big deal to use it, so users should just conform. That’s not how the real world…

Eh, I think people are increasingly tired of being pushed to use Microsoft crap even if they don't want to. Hell, you can't even make a local account easily anymore on Windows. It feels actively hostile.

I think a lot of people would prefer to deal with the different inconveniences of Linux.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by sagarm »

episode404 wrote: post #773
tuetuopay wrote: post #625

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AFAIK this comes down a lot to NVIDIA not doing enough efforts for the Linux drivers. There is a pretty well documented and understood reason for the perf hit NVIDIA GPUs get on Linux. Honestly, considering where we came from, a 10-30% perf drop is good and is a reasonable tradeoff to consider. Especially for all the people that don't want to touch Windows 11 with a 11-foot pole (which I am), it's a more than decent…

>a 10-30% perf drop is good and is a reasonable tradeoff to consider You are either trolling or completely out of your mind. You simply cannot be serious when saying stuff like this.

Is it really crazy? Some stuff runs faster and some runs slower, and I deal with less bullshit. I was already running with 17-20% reduced power limits anyway.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by MegaDeKay »

ThatPlayer wrote: post #491
zaptheimpaler wrote: post #454

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Last I checked, even the best ones that are high quality don't support VRR.

A recent one seems to work with VRR: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/1pkdfcm/ugree... DP1.4 though, so you're still going to need compression.

Thanks for this link! I'd heard of the CableMatters dongle but this seems like a better route to go assuming the patches are accepted.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by spixy »

iknowstuff wrote: post #347
coppsilgold wrote: post #241

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Competent cheat makers don't have much difficulty in defeating in-kernel anticheats on Windows. With the amount of insight and control available on Linux anticheat makers stand little chance. The best Valve could do is offer a special locked down kernel with perhaps some anticheat capabilities and lock down the hardware with attestation. If they offer the sources and do verified builds it might even be accepted by so…

Yeah this is also the model Microsoft is moving to. A separate attested vm for games, immutable to the rest of windows.

That would kill some game addons / overlays. Or there should be a way to move them into the "gaming VM" too.
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