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dijit wrote: post #297
PaulKeeble wrote: post #2

I think its interesting that mainstream PC gaming press is now talking about Linux. We have the benchmark Youtube channels doing some benchmarks of it as well and plenty of reports of "it just works", which is pretty promising at least for the games that aren't intentionally excluded by DRM. For me its still controllers and equipment incompatibility due to my VR headset and sim wheel/pedals setup, I use Linux everywh…

I’ll keep repeating it: the more people vote with their wallet, the more game companies will deploy Linux - including the anticheat. EAC has the support for Linux, you just have to enable it as a developer. I know this, I worked on games that used this. EAC was used on Stadia (which was a debian box) for the division, because the server had to detect that EAC was actually running on the client. I feel like I bring th…

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Re: Linux is good now

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Post by unethical_ban »

ako wrote: post #119
unethical_ban wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Proton for games had changed things dramatically. Gamers can legit switch to Linux with barely a second thought, without being technical. Linux/x86 still is poor for battery life compared to Apple.

Most people don’t care about gaming, so they shouldn’t care about proton. What changed recently for those who don’t care about gaming?

We don't agree on the premise.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by jaapz »

wewewedxfgdf wrote: post #13

Linux is a viable alternative to Windows/MacOS if you stand back and squint. Not up close due to the vast number of inconsistencies. This could only be fixed by a user experience built from the ground up by a single company.

Have you worked with windows recently? It basically consists entirely of inconsistensies

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by senectus1 »

net01 wrote: post #259
Biganon wrote: post #228

I'm tired of people saying Steam on Linux just works. It doesn't. Tried running Worms: instant crash, no error message. Tried running Among Us: instant crash, had to add cryptic arguments to the command line to get it to run. Tried running Parkitect: crashes after 5 minutes. These three games are extremely simple, graphically speaking. They don't use any complicated anti-cheat measure. This shouldn't be complicated,…

Arch is nice if you want to tinker. Based on your reasoning, I wouldn't recommend it. But if you still want arch-based, I would recommend EndevourOS, and for even a simpler/better distro, Bazzite.

Split the difference, Fedora. its cutting edge but not in a way that can lead you to make mistakes like arch (BTW).

Its still open to customizing but out of the box is very damn usable and flexible.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by abrookewood »

kentonv wrote: post #242

I switched all the machines at https://lanparty.house over to Linux a couple months ago. So far, we've experienced noticeably fewer problems on Linux compared to Windows. Stability and performance are better. I can't think of one game we tried that didn't work. And wow is it nice not to have all the ads and crapware in our faces anymore. (I'm aware that Battlefield series and League of Legends won't work due to draco…

Yep, I've been gaming exclusively on Ubuntu (mainly because I want my desktop to match my servers) for several years. If you aren't playing the latest AAA FPS, then everything pretty much works.

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Post by polivier »

Biganon wrote: post #228

I'm tired of people saying Steam on Linux just works. It doesn't. Tried running Worms: instant crash, no error message. Tried running Among Us: instant crash, had to add cryptic arguments to the command line to get it to run. Tried running Parkitect: crashes after 5 minutes. These three games are extremely simple, graphically speaking. They don't use any complicated anti-cheat measure. This shouldn't be complicated,…

You can force a Proton version in the game settings. "Proton Experimental" almost always fixes any issue you may have.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

tapoxi wrote: post #147
hackyhacky wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Linux kernel has eBPF now so if they wanted to start spying on everything you do they can just do it. Sure, except that anyone can just compile a Linux kernel that doesn't allow that. Anti-cheat systems on Windows work because Windows is hard(er) to tamper with.

The interesting solution here is secure boot, only allow users to play from a set of trusted kernels.

I'd be less antianticheat if I could just select the handcuffs at boot time for the rare occasion where I need them.

Although even then I'd still have qualms about paying for the creation of something that might pave the path for hardware vendors to work with authoritarian governments to restrict users to approved kernel builds. The potential harms are just not in the same league as whatever problems it might solve for gamers.

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Post by vbezhenar »

tapoxi wrote: post #147
hackyhacky wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Linux kernel has eBPF now so if they wanted to start spying on everything you do they can just do it. Sure, except that anyone can just compile a Linux kernel that doesn't allow that. Anti-cheat systems on Windows work because Windows is hard(er) to tamper with.

The interesting solution here is secure boot, only allow users to play from a set of trusted kernels.

What do you mean? Ship computer with preinstalled Linux that you can't tamper? Sounds like Android. For ordinary computers, secure boot is fully configurable, so it won't work: I can disable it, I can install my own keys, etc. Any for any userspace way to check it I'll fool you, if I own the kernel.

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Post by ThatPlayer »

dijit wrote: post #297
PaulKeeble wrote: post #2

I think its interesting that mainstream PC gaming press is now talking about Linux. We have the benchmark Youtube channels doing some benchmarks of it as well and plenty of reports of "it just works", which is pretty promising at least for the games that aren't intentionally excluded by DRM. For me its still controllers and equipment incompatibility due to my VR headset and sim wheel/pedals setup, I use Linux everywh…

I’ll keep repeating it: the more people vote with their wallet, the more game companies will deploy Linux - including the anticheat. EAC has the support for Linux, you just have to enable it as a developer. I know this, I worked on games that used this. EAC was used on Stadia (which was a debian box) for the division, because the server had to detect that EAC was actually running on the client. I feel like I bring th…

> EAC has the support for Linux

This does not mean it supports the full feature set as from EAC on Windows. As an analogy, it's like saying Microsoft Excel supports iPad. It's true, but without VBA support, there's not going to be many serious attempts to port more complicated spreadsheets to iPad.

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Post by bigyabai »

steve-atx-7600 wrote: post #292

Hahaha. Try sharing a couple old printers and scanners connected to a Linux box on your home network. At best, when it’s working you get lowest common denominator functionality. Want to run some vms ? Works great until you update your distro and the vm hosts kernel modules aren’t compatible anymore. Oh, want to use a later version of some package like docker? Did I use apt or snap or flatpack??? Yes, you can get this…

Sounds ultra-specific to your experience. VMs, package management and networking are all things that macOS and Windows stumble with for regular usage. I've used all three OSes professionally, and Linux requires the least configuration to get work done.
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