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Post by YZF »

YZF wrote: post #931
za3faran wrote: post #878

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Poor Palestinians for defending themselves and their home land - maybe they should just sit and take it like the native populations in America, Canada, Australia, South Africa did. Shelomo Dov Goitein admits that the Jews lived best when they lived with Muslims (and under their protection). This "knew their place" is not true, go talk to Syrian Jews (there's an interview with one on youtube) on what it was like befor…

- It's the Jewish homeland. The Jewish people are the native population. The Arabs are the invaders. There are some Arabs who have lives in the region for a long time but many current day Arabs in the region are immigrants from Egypt and other Arab countries. - The Palestinians are not "defending themselves". - Your statement about the Jews in Arab countries is patently false. You're just repeating propaganda. Jews w…

Just as an example: Israel's minister of defense is Israel Katz. Katz stands for "Cohen Tzedek". Israel traces his paternal lineage all the way back to priests that served in the temple in Jerusalem during the days of King David. There is no other way to assume the name Cohen or any of the variation of priest family names. Similar for Levy. There is no way to convert and assume that name. The lineage of Jewish priests also has DNA evidence that they are all related.

His family was forced off their land and prevented by force from returning through the ages.

It so happens to be Passover now. Do you know how many time each Jewish person mentions returning to Jerusalem during the Seder every year?

His right to live in his ancestral homeland, just like the right of native in Canada or Australia or the US, never expires. The only way to settle his claim is through mutual agreement, like treaties in Canada.

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Post by Retric »

Braxton1980 wrote: post #950
Retric wrote: post #900

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Their goals are similar. There’s lots of different ways of achieving similar ends. I’ve seen a lot more paid commercials from Israel side, but a lot more posts using Palestine’s side talking points. Same way you can build a wood or brick home, historically which people chose had a lot to do with local materials.

>Their goals are similar. This isn't then your previous comment that the results are similar. Goals aren't nearly as important as results. Also, to dive deeper, what goals and how many are similar, and how similar? If you mean they are both supporting Israel, then yes, but the Democrats exert more control over their actions. For example Biden was limiting the bomb size that Israel could purchase and Trump removed tha…

> If you mean they are both supporting Israel

I have been talking about the propaganda from each sides of the current conflict in Palestine. I thought this make that clear “in this conflict so it’s really interesting to see how each side is using propaganda” but I may have misunderstood what you meant by supporting Israel.

> This isn't then your previous comment that the results are similar.

To be clear I’m noticing similar goals combined with something (diminishing returns?) yield similar results. Hell, it could also be a form follows function kind of thing, I’m noticing the results not doing a research paper.

> what goals

When I say they have similar goals I mean they are both trying to sway public option to support their agenda.

There’s a bunch of different kinds of kind of propaganda. If one side was doing a call to action for their supporters like “Buy war bonds!” then I presume the results wouldn’t seem so similar.

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Post by dubyah »

elcritch wrote: post #396
empath75 wrote: post #305

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> As in that seems like there isn't a "large number". --- > “But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately afte…

Poignant quote. Should we as a society accept students who are calling for violence and intifada on Israel or Jewish people in general? If anything some of those pro-Palestinian protests were more reminiscent of the 1933 “German Firm” boycotts the quote mentions than not: > A boycott sign posted on the display window of a Jewish-owned business reads: "Germans defend yourselves against Jewish atrocity propaganda. Buy…

"By looking at property damage and police injuries, we also conclude that this pro-Palestine movement has not been violent. That is true of both the national protest wave in general and of the student encampments in spring 2024 in particular. The rhetorical core of this pro-Palestine movement has not been a call for violence against Jews, but rather a call for freedom for Palestinians and an end to violence being inflicted upon them. To substantiate this point, we considered two sources of evidence: 1) the banners, signs, and chants seen or heard at pro-Palestine events; 2) the demands issued by organizers of over 100 student encampments." https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14742837.2024.2...

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Post by rdtsc »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #925
rdtsc wrote: post #456

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> the provision allows the secretary of state alone to “personally determine” whether he should remain in the country That's how it always worked? This idea that someone is entitled to a student visa is just odd, and I am speaking as someone who had a variety of different visas, including two student visas. You're really at the whim of the state department. It just takes getting notice, a minor infraction, not submit…

> That's how it always worked? Not really. Yes, the state department has always been the say on who gets visas. But the Supreme Court has also previously ruled that non-citizens enjoy the same constitutional protections as citizens, and that includes free speech. No other previous administrations have been so blatant about revoking visas simply for the "crime" of voicing one's opinion on the Israel-Palestine conflict…

> No other previous administrations have been so blatant about revoking visas simply for the "crime" of voicing one's opinion on the Israel-Palestine conflict.

They don’t see it as a free speech issue. They are not imprisoning the person but “simply” sending them home.

> We're in uncharted waters here because previous administrations have generally followed constitutional norms when it came to making visa decisions.

Not really, they specifically ask about membership in various parties, namely the communist party. This is nothing new at all. Any student coming say in the 80s and starting to show up at pro Communist party protests would have been just as easily kicked out.

A visa like J-1 can be revoked for non-criminal reasons. They don’t see a student visa validity as a free speech issue. It has never been and won’t be until the law is changed.

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Post by mrgoldenbrown »

mlindner wrote: post #642
Braxton1980 wrote: post #457

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>Another difference would be that you are allowed to express your opinion, whereas in russia you would be put to jail, that's true but only in a very limited way. Although not even close in number and punishment the US government is deporting people for speaking against Israel. I think we do have a much better system because we are aware of these cases, you can speak out about the issue, and our court system can rule…

> Although not even close in number and punishment the US government is deporting people for speaking against Israel. You and I both know that isn't true and repeating that doesn't help anyone but further implant in people's minds that the other side is completely irrational and cannot be reasoned with. No, the US government is deporting people for supporting terrorist organizations, something that's always been a di…

Öztürk had her visa secretly revoked because she coauthored an oped suggesting her college divest from Israel. She did not write an op-ed supporting a terrorist group.

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Post by za3faran »

YZF wrote: post #931
za3faran wrote: post #878

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Poor Palestinians for defending themselves and their home land - maybe they should just sit and take it like the native populations in America, Canada, Australia, South Africa did. Shelomo Dov Goitein admits that the Jews lived best when they lived with Muslims (and under their protection). This "knew their place" is not true, go talk to Syrian Jews (there's an interview with one on youtube) on what it was like befor…

- It's the Jewish homeland. The Jewish people are the native population. The Arabs are the invaders. There are some Arabs who have lives in the region for a long time but many current day Arabs in the region are immigrants from Egypt and other Arab countries. - The Palestinians are not "defending themselves". - Your statement about the Jews in Arab countries is patently false. You're just repeating propaganda. Jews w…

We know Jews that lived in Syria - their houses are still intact and held for their owners. I already referred to a youtube interview with one you can easily find. He speaks positively of the Syrians.

Islam is very well known to protect the rights of minorities under it, especially the People of the Book: the Jews and the Christians.

By the way, what does the word "Hebrew" mean? Those that crossed the river ;) So someone lived there before the Jews - the Caananites, i.e. the Palestinians. The same people who became Jews and Christians, then Muslims.

Arabs and Muslims did not force anyone off their land. Ottomans did not kick out anyone under the ruling of Islam. The Ottoman Caliphate was an Islamic rule at its peak, not an ethno-rule as some like to falsely claim. Muslims preserve the local culture - this is why Islam spread. And that is why you will see Kung Fu styles adapted by Muslim rituals like Wudu'. Islam does not erradicate the local culture, people accepted it because of the positive interactions they had with Muslims. This is why most Muslims are not Arabs.

When pan-turkism and pan-arabism did arise (due to several reasons, but also instigated by the west, the story of Lawrence of Arabia is well known), that was a big reason to the decline of the Ottoman Caliphate, of course other factors played a role, but it was against the teachings of Islam.

There was no "Saudi Arabia" back in the day lol.

Yes, we reject all of the european colonialist projects and fake borders in the ME. Post WWI european colonization has caused nothing but destruction everywhere it touched, including India - that's why they sought liberation. Divide and conquer is the name of the game. The established view in Islam is that all Muslims are one people, and no borders between us, from Indoesia all the way to Mauritania. Bilad Al-Sham are one, not the sykes-picot borders that they carved out.

Edit: why are they allowed to do this: https://x.com/trackingisrael/status/1911148565692362904

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Post by za3faran »

YZF wrote: post #937
za3faran wrote: post #855

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Easy to refute, here it is from Sheikh Ahmed Yassin himself: https://x.com/incontextmedia/status/1720877046664986750

Right and this is exactly why the Hamas covenant says: "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related…

Do not take texts out of context, I'll leave it at that.

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Post by lenkite »

JadeNB wrote: post #447
d0gsg0w00f wrote: post #418

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To be fair...the other side was just as ferocious when someone postulated that the election was rigged, or that COVID couldn't be stopped by masks. You're essentially asking for conservatives to be the bigger person and stop the blood feud. IMO both approaches should have been more measured, but who do you think will propose the ceasefire agreement?

> To be fair...the other side was just as ferocious when someone postulated that the election was rigged, or that COVID couldn't be stopped by masks. You're essentially asking for conservatives to be the bigger person and stop the blood feud. Did anyone have their, and their coworkers', security clearance revoked just for saying either of those? (There are other activities that could have been taken by people saying…

Yes, lots of people got fired for claiming those in the Covid days. The selective memory of the majority opinion here on HN is deeply distressing, but understandable due to blind tribal support for the democratic party.

Large swathes of people were first identified for being antivax when they self-registered under the religious exemption scheme and then were harassed and fired. It was cunningly done with the media paying no attention.

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

corimaith wrote: post #712
janalsncm wrote: post #380

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There’s probably not one single benchmark (and I won’t say that all of them are negative in the US) but we can just think generally about the things we’d like in a good life: Life expectancy. Chronic disease rates. Suicide rates. Depression rates. Violent crime rates. Marriage rates. Home ownership rates. Education rates. Debt rates. Labor participation rates. Wealth inequity. No one metric is a complete picture but…

70% of these metrics are solved in China (or most places in Asia) through methods that most people in this thread would be vehemently against. You can put the mentally-ill back into sanatoriums, enforce quick and draconian response to petty crime, and pay an economic underclass a pittance to clean your streets if you wish. Unfortunately for Americans, it's not the CEO at fault here actually, it's the middle class and…

Does authoritarianism and over policing cause their QoL to rise while ours is debatable? Their middle class is rising, ours is nearly dead. Their years of salary to purchase a home is decreasing, ours is almost a full lifetime. We have more people per capita in prison than they do. We have rising obesity rates. Rising chronic illness rates. We are now surveiling our own populations social media to find reasons to kick them out just like they do.

So please let me know how locking up more people and paying an economic underclass to clean our streets will help us achieve all those goals? Crime, I get it, but how is what you claimed going to solve our health and financial issues?

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

nikkwong wrote: post #351
janalsncm wrote: post #25

So when the government pointed to the disproportionate support for Palestine on TikTok vs Instagram, it was actually because Instagram was suppressing it. It is ironic. https://x.com/hawleymo/status/1717505662601609401

While this may be part of the story, it's certainly not the full picture. We know that the CCP is actively manipulating the algorithm on Tiktok to further their agenda on multiple other geopolitical issues—something we have ample evidence for. I don't know if there is a smoking gun on this one topic in particular, but the CCP's goal has always been to divide the American audience; and we know that older Americans ske…

So what if they do this though? Big so what? Americans are allowed to read any journal and any news, even those explicitly owned and edited by foreign adversaries that they want. This is a tried and true first amendment right. And I get that forcing China to divest TikTok isn't legally an act against the 1st Amendment, but functionally it is. Why can't Americans see a CCP-biased view of Palestine if they want to? If I want to watch CCP propaganda all day, or Press TV, or Russia Today, that's my right as an American. Part of the reason there's interest to see that at all and 0 interest in watching a CCP revisionist history of the Korean War is because Israel can only bomb so many WCK aid workers, Red Cross aid workers, ambulances with the sirens on, in full video, etc. before people become curious about why this isn't a big deal for our govt.
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