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U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

xp84 wrote: post #667
NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #632

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What if Apple just stops operating in the UK? They could start selling "English language" iPhones in France, let people go on a day trip if they wanted to buy them. There are ways of sidestepping this bullshit if you're an international company. Supposing they have any integrity, I mean. How far will the UK double down?

I still don’t think the UK is a big enough market for Apple to be that worried about the following, but if the government and Apple escalate to the point of Apple pulling out of the UK, it would be pretty easy for the government to force all of its telecoms to ban any new iPhones from their mobile networks. So the citizens will probably not get to simply walk right around the restrictions that way, assuming the gover…

So, any visiting American businessmen with iPhones are inconvenienced? What happens when that curtails investment?

I think Apple might just have some leverage here, if they choose to exert it. Starmer's government would, at minimum become a laughingstock.

Hell, do we know whether Chucky Three uses an Android? Or would the royals get a secret exemption?

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Post by altairprime »

talldayo wrote: post #908
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China is not the UK, and isn’t comparable, any more than the US was. Apple’s manufacturing is far more dependent on China than it is the UK, with one exception: Arm. Legitimately, if the UK government declare Arm to be unexportable to the US, they can completely fuck over everyone except Apple, who I expect has a Complete Code license or equivalent so that they can continue development of Arm goes bankrupt or gets cu…

The ARM licensing bit hasn't been relevant since SoftBank bought ARM. The preeminent issue is that Apple is already perfectly fine with warrantless surveillance and didn't leave the EU, US or anyone over it. This expectation for Apple to grow a San-Bernadino-esque backbone in an age where they manufacture backdoors for Five Eyes is hilarious. Seriously; how do you expect Apple to hold a principled stance on privacy w…

I’ve explained my reasoning and we disagree. Be well.

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Post by secretsatan »

This is fucked, TBH, i would be happier if Apple jus pulled every single aspect of their business out of the UK rather than comply with this, I don't want to get some shitty android phone, I don't care what anyone says, theu are just not as good.

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

SilasX wrote: post #596
Lio wrote: post #273

I don't think the UK government would try to put Apple out of business if they don't comply it's more likely that they would just get heavily fined until they do so. The most likely outcome, I would guess, is that Apple just stop offering Advanced Data Protection as a service in the UK rather than create some kind of backdoor. It's a weak proposition from the government because anyone with something to hide will just…

>I don't think the UK government would try to put Apple out of business if they don't comply it's more likely that they would just get heavily fined until they do so. Sufficiently advanced "escalating fines until they comply" is indistinguishable from "putting them out of business".

The government would soon cave if Apple started disinvesting in the UK. The current government are desperate for growth.

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Post by hyperdimension »

csmattryder wrote: post #121
snapcaster wrote: post #112

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I don't disagree with your analysis but i wouldn't be so fatalistic. This stuff _isn't_ inevitable and i think it's possible to win people over to our side. Things can change for the better, but they won't unless people who care don't give up

Ahh, I used to have that opinion, but I've encountered too many "It's fine if they want it, I've got nothing to hide" people. (They never give you their Facebook password if you ask, though. Funny, that.) Change what you can, I say, VPN on the network device.

I favorites this comment a while ago:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40228359

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Post by grayhatter »

chgs wrote: post #813
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no one, you'll be in secret prison before you somehow gain standing

If the back door was used the a three letter agency sure. If the backdoor was exploited by a criminal though?

so in this hypothetical, some blackhat is able to download data in mass from apple servers? And you're worried that the only thing stopping that, or creating a duty to protect the data is encryption?

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Post by shsbdncudx »

Detrytus wrote: post #932
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Not quite right. The Poles built a simpler machine that they called a "Bomba", a pre-cursor to the Bombes. Named for a dessert in a cafe near the Polish intelligence service offices where those early codebreakers worked, and because the French also received the intelligence from Poland, they transposed the name. :-) In July 1939 the Poles had to hand everything over to the British because they knew it was all about t…

So in short: Poles did all the important parts, like actually breaking the code, Brits just throwed some money at the problem, helping to scale the Bombs.

That’s wildly inaccurate to the point of trolling so I’ll leave it there
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