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Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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I have heard that YC alums have more voting power than others.

YC alums have never had more voting power than others. At least I don't remember any time when that was true.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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The detainment order was outstanding for some time, and Durov certainly knew that. Still he plainly landed in France and was detained. Why? My pet tinfoil-hat theory is that he decided that staying in a French prison is safer for him than being out in the open and get some polonium, or whatnot.

I fear that it might not be that difficult for Russia to arrange for his suicide to take place while in prison.

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GP didn't mention backdoors.

That's exactly what control by gov is, otherwise they can already see public channels groups.

Even in WhatsApp which has E2EE they have reporting mechanisms so if someone starts a broadcast channel with the explicit intention of promoting illegal behaviour, it can at least be taken down by reporting. Personal experience and second hand accounts tell us that Telegram was known to mismanage these things in ways that a company of its size and impact cannot ignore.

There’s a lot of false dichotomy in the ongoing discussions here which assumes there’s a binary “control to the gov” or “freedom for all” choice. It’s a spectrum where at the most basic level, a robust process to handle reports of illegal activity should be accepted.

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Ylva Johansson, a "former" Communist who joined the social democratic party when that turned out to be a more sure-fire way to gain power is decidedly not the Swedish government. It it people like her and the policies they implemented which pushed the "Sweden Democrats" (a somewhat conservative nationalist party, their program resembles they of the social democratic party in the 1950's-1960's) to become the second-bi…

And yet the current Swedish government appointed her again to the European Commission.

It doesn't look like she will be the Swedish government's pick: https://www.politico.eu/article/sweden-picks-next-eu-commiss...

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Unfortunately telegram actively engaging with russian govenment. Since 2022 it became nothing but a propaganda tool itself.

> Since 2022 it became nothing but a propaganda tool itself. How can it possibly be "a propaganda tool" when it has no feed, no algorithms, no suggestions or recommendations? You only get sources you've willingly subscribed to, nothing else. This reads as such a cope.

Telegram has also absolutely no filters, so it can be filled with lies and propaganda without any response from the platform, except, only if it is russian government making requests. Your responses remind me of russian bot playbooks, tbh. Are you one?

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That's exactly what control by gov is, otherwise they can already see public channels groups.

Even in WhatsApp which has E2EE they have reporting mechanisms so if someone starts a broadcast channel with the explicit intention of promoting illegal behaviour, it can at least be taken down by reporting. Personal experience and second hand accounts tell us that Telegram was known to mismanage these things in ways that a company of its size and impact cannot ignore. There’s a lot of false dichotomy in the ongoing…

"Illegal" according to who? Government? The same government which can decide something else that we would consider fundamental right is also "illegal" at any time?

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By that logic, any app that provides privacy from governments spying is a criminal enterprise.

Well I mean in many countries, blocking the surveillance agency from listening in on your calls/texts/chats is illegal. So making an app that interferes with the agencies ability to "listen in" is infact a criminal enterprise. Don't have to like it but the law is the law.

How about adding "illegal thoughts" to that mix too. It is only one short step away from wearing a monitoring "headband". All subversion grows its first root in the mind of the citizen. Nipping this in the bud through detection and re-education guarantees peace and safety of society and the nation. If you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide.

Don't have to like it but the law is the law. /s

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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https://x.com/christogrozev/status/1827450631462048023 > I wonder what caught up with him first: the undisturbed sale of hard drugs vIa telegram, or the undisturbed recruitment of freelancers for GRU's terrorist attacks across Europe. Seems there could be some truth to the accusations.

My working theory is that by making it difficult for the average user to activate end-to-end encrypted chats, especially compared to industry standards, and by positioning the service as an 'anything goes' platform, Mr. Durov might have created the world's largest Kompromat machine.

[1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kompromat

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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The detainment order was outstanding for some time, and Durov certainly knew that. Still he plainly landed in France and was detained. Why? My pet tinfoil-hat theory is that he decided that staying in a French prison is safer for him than being out in the open and get some polonium, or whatnot.

I fear that it might not be that difficult for Russia to arrange for his suicide to take place while in prison.

difficult to sell that diplomatically though

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> Does this mean that according to EU, or France, E2E-encrypted platforms need to "cooperate" (provide backdoors)? No, not yet. > Or does it refer to public channels only? On Telegram channels and groups are not E2EE. I'd assume that's were most of the crap is spread.

Private messages aren’t end-to-end encrypted either. The so-called secret chats are end-to-end encrypted but are a major pain to use. I doubt that feature sees much use.

Yes, private messages can be E2EE. But as you say, they're a hassle (no sync between devices as an example).
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