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Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by stogot »

vhiremath4 wrote: post #375
sega_sai wrote: post #322

A bunch of people in comments here seem to misunderstand what telegram is. It is not just a messaging app, it is essentially a platform like twitter, with channels, hundreds of thousands of subscribers to those. While I fully support E2EE communication with no back-doors, I think it is perfectly fair for governments to have some control to take down large channels that are clearly against the law. I do not know the t…

Ah very interesting. Thanks for making that distinction! To me, I’m wondering at what critical mass of people should you need to provide a back door to the government? Is it 2? 3? 100? 1000? Are the number of people the right indicator here? Genuinely curious of people’s thoughts. I haven’t though too deeply about this.

You seem to assume there is a “need” to backdoor the people’s communication. Liberty of the people assumes there is not a need nor a right of the State to do so

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Post by kitkat_new »

vhiremath4 wrote: post #375
sega_sai wrote: post #322

A bunch of people in comments here seem to misunderstand what telegram is. It is not just a messaging app, it is essentially a platform like twitter, with channels, hundreds of thousands of subscribers to those. While I fully support E2EE communication with no back-doors, I think it is perfectly fair for governments to have some control to take down large channels that are clearly against the law. I do not know the t…

Ah very interesting. Thanks for making that distinction! To me, I’m wondering at what critical mass of people should you need to provide a back door to the government? Is it 2? 3? 100? 1000? Are the number of people the right indicator here? Genuinely curious of people’s thoughts. I haven’t though too deeply about this.

who is talking about backdoors? the chats are public

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Post by zkid18 »

nine_k wrote: post #103

The detainment order was outstanding for some time, and Durov certainly knew that. Still he plainly landed in France and was detained. Why? My pet tinfoil-hat theory is that he decided that staying in a French prison is safer for him than being out in the open and get some polonium, or whatnot.

He is a French citizen after all [0] https://www.forbes.ru/milliardery/446937-pavel-durov-polucil... (ru)

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Post by vwkd »

https://x.com/christogrozev/status/1827450631462048023

> I wonder what caught up with him first: the undisturbed sale of hard drugs vIa telegram, or the undisturbed recruitment of freelancers for GRU's terrorist attacks across Europe.

Seems there could be some truth to the accusations.

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Post by aquatica »

codedokode wrote: post #141
aquatica wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "I can easily guess that assholes in secret service would probably like very much to use that to blackmail him to add backdoors to telegram. So sad." Telegram is a backdoor by design. The server has complete access to all your messages, they can do whatever they want with those. And they even had a backdoor in E2EE chats, see: https://habr.com/ru/articles/206900/

Note that America has been caught spying on EU countries politicians and manufacturers so many times and nobody got ever punished for this. While the backdoor talks are purely hypothetical, and Telegram's client and protocol are open source: you can just study the code.

Which is what the author of the article I linked did. The backdoor wasn't hypothetical, Telegram had to patch the protocol.

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Post by dumbfounder »

cft wrote: post #348
dang wrote: post #303

We changed the URL from https://www.tf1info.fr/justice-faits-divers/info-tf1-lci-le-... to an article in English. If there's a better article in English, we can change it again.

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I have heard that YC alums have more voting power than others.

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Post by I_am_uncreative »

T-A wrote: post #79
chucke1992 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't believe there are any western nations that want non-locally-backdoored messaging of any sort But that's what exactly they want no? EU is literally implementing a regulation that will allow to "circumvent end-to-end encryption to address child sexual abuse material". I believe it failed to pass recently, but they will try again - and nothing stops countries to implement it independently. I think France is th…

You might be surprised to learn who's doing the pushing: https://www.wired.com/story/europes-moral-crusader-lays-down... https://www.statewatch.org/news/2024/july/police-should-have...

I'm not. The Swedish government is a lot like California's: it's a lot less progressive than it pretends to be.

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Post by aquatica »

noobermin wrote: post #143
aquatica wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "I can easily guess that assholes in secret service would probably like very much to use that to blackmail him to add backdoors to telegram. So sad." Telegram is a backdoor by design. The server has complete access to all your messages, they can do whatever they want with those. And they even had a backdoor in E2EE chats, see: https://habr.com/ru/articles/206900/

Do you have a link in english?

Goole Translate works good enough for this article, there is also one from "FiloSottile" but I haven't read it and iirc it still references this one, it's called "The most backdoor-looking bug I have ever seen"

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Post by NoxiousPluK »

heraldgeezer wrote: post #223

What about Signal? What about Messenger and Whatsapp, also end-to-end encrypted? Will they be arrested? Is this the end of end-to-end encryption chats?

Telegram is not E2EE (with the exception of phone-only 1-on-1 Secret Chats, which are also questionable security-wise). Telegram has access to everything ever shared on their services, even if users delete it.

Signal by design can't moderate their service. Telegram by design has full access, but doesn't act on it.

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