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Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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nologic01 wrote: post #393

There is something quite remarkable and puzzling about the VR/AR and now SC (spatial computing) space. All major (ad)tech companies are convinced that this is a major market that will materialize and be profitable if the right combination of hardware and software is developed. Their VR "visions" differ but only at the margin. No matter how you execute it, we are talking about people (homo sapiens) putting a major som…

some vr games seem like a lot of fun - beat saber in particular is good enough that if I could have bought an oculus without needing to tie it into an internet-of-shit account I would have just because I have seen a convincing proof of concept that I could get a few hundred dollars of entertainment over the lifetime of the device.

as for AR, google glass has demonstrated convincing value as a heads up display for factory floors and other places where people need to interact with complex machinery. I am excited about the potential in that.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by dylan604 »

BeFlatXIII wrote: post #897
dylan604 wrote: post #812

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I find this similar to those note taking apps. Everyone assumes having notes stored digitally will be more useful by allowing search, sharing between devices/friends, or any of the other propaganda used. However, they all miss the crucial bit of taking notes is that the act of writing the note is the key in helping retain the information. Can't get much cheaper than a pencil and paper, but yet we keep trying and fail…

95% of technology in the classroom initiatives are pure grift. Ever notice how it's usually the struggling districts that are most willing to go all-in on them?

or the GenZers with an app

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Post by r00fus »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #875
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #640

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FB should absolutely be in panic mode. They bet everything on VR because they wanted to own an entire ecosystem and not be reliant on Google/Apple. No matter how good Oculus is, Apple will be the VR experience everyone will want to have. Apple will sell it vastly better and make it far more desirable than anything Meta can manage. If I have to strap on an invasive device to my face, what company am I going to trust m…

There is no reason to be worried about Apple monopolizing the market. They've never been interested in anything but the luxury segment, and meta is going the other direction. If anything this should help meta by growing mind share of VR/AR products. A $3,500 product is immediately off the table for probably 99% of people.

First Apple Watch Edition series 0 was > $1k, but successive releases essentially destroyed other platforms except for high end sports watches (Garmin, etc). Fitbit essentially died after a few years battling with Apple.

The analogy for this product is less the iPhone than the Apple Watch (if they only release Edition on first run).

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by blooalien »

LynxInLA wrote: post #935
blooalien wrote: post #111

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I've been really pleased by the touchpads on Valve's Steam Controller, but they don't sell the Steam Controller anymore. :(

They seem to have used them on the Steam Deck, so maybe they'll use them again in future projects.

Here's hoping and wishing for a "Steam Controller 2". Fingers crossed.

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Post by tracyhenry »

Panini_Jones wrote: post #177
tracyhenry wrote: post #112

If Vision Pro wins, its likely because of the higher-res (so virtual monitors become usable) and the ecosystem (any iOS apps + projecting Apple devices).

The 'trust' factor may play into it too. For years, we've seen Meta and Apple bicker about privacy. I don't think this was just for fun; I think this was for the upcoming headset war we're going to witness. Do you trust Meta or Apple with eye tracking data?

Apple pushes an update so that FB needs to ask you for permission for tracking. You think that's just being noble? It's because they want to become an ad company too[1], at the cost of destroying countless SMBs in the meantime.

I'm not sure how long this trust is going to last.

[1] https://proton.me/blog/apple-ad-company

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Post by makeitdouble »

stocknoob wrote: post #895
makeitdouble wrote: post #366

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You could say iPod, xServe, AirPort or Pippin in the same vein. Companies lose/get out of entire markets and move to others, that's a natural (and probably healthy) thing. Otherwise, I forgot about TabletPC, hut given they have the Surface line now, is it a failure ?

Thanks for the reminder: Zune. You think iPod belongs in the same breath as the others? Random protocols aren’t products. Surface is a strategic failure because it didn’t define the tablet market a decade ago, and iPad / Chromebook is what every grade school kid uses. Now it gets to cannibalize sales from their PC partners, who I’m sure are thrilled to be competing with their OS supplier.

iPod ended killed, so yes I'd ship it in the same category as we others. For what it's worth, to this day I'm still more salty about the AirPort line getting killed than the iPod.

> Random protocols

I didn't understand this bit.

> Surface

It's not taking the world by storm, but is a solid product line that is well received, has its loyal community, and continues to ship new products for 9 generations now. And the windows tablet market itself expanded around it, when it just didn't exist 10 years ago. I'd compare it to Google's Pixel line, it's not going to take half of the market, but it's alive, keeps fullfilling its role, get recognition and user satisfaction, so I wouldn't call it a failure.

On iPad/Chromebook, they're a different device category. The same way Chromebooks and Macbooks aren't the same category.

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Post by crakhamster01 »

trotro wrote: post #435
nologic01 wrote: post #393

There is something quite remarkable and puzzling about the VR/AR and now SC (spatial computing) space. All major (ad)tech companies are convinced that this is a major market that will materialize and be profitable if the right combination of hardware and software is developed. Their VR "visions" differ but only at the margin. No matter how you execute it, we are talking about people (homo sapiens) putting a major som…

Porn. What you're missing is porn. Or generally, anything that's much better experienced directly than through a screen. Think about virtually hiking Mt Everest, diving the Mariana Trench, walking on Mars, etc. The technology certainly isn't there yet, but I can imagine a future where for a majority of the population, especially those with lower income, VR provides the only affordable* escape from reality. * In a few…

Reminds me of this GQ video with Lil Dicky where he listed the Oculus Quest as one of the 10 things he couldn't live without

https://youtu.be/eqAcVASDZ3g?t=470

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by crakhamster01 »

r00fus wrote: post #953
HDThoreaun wrote: post #875

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There is no reason to be worried about Apple monopolizing the market. They've never been interested in anything but the luxury segment, and meta is going the other direction. If anything this should help meta by growing mind share of VR/AR products. A $3,500 product is immediately off the table for probably 99% of people.

First Apple Watch Edition series 0 was > $1k, but successive releases essentially destroyed other platforms except for high end sports watches (Garmin, etc). Fitbit essentially died after a few years battling with Apple. The analogy for this product is less the iPhone than the Apple Watch (if they only release Edition on first run).

The Apple watch started at $350, not $1k [0]. Also no one with an Android phone has an Apple Watch, which means Apple at best has ~27% of the market [1].

[0] https://www.theverge.com/2015/3/9/8162455/apple-watch-price-... [1] https://www.bankmycell.com/blog/android-vs-apple-market-shar...

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Post by crakhamster01 »

ctvo wrote: post #902
lanza wrote: post #357

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> We've seen this story before and it hasn't ended well for the folks in Mark's position. Meta doesn't need to dominate the market. Being the Android to Apple's iOS or the Windows to Apple's macOS is way more than fine for Meta's business. iPhone's did $250b in revenue in 2022. Meta as a whole did $117b. They aren't looking to replace Apple, they are just trying to find a way to get their revenue growing again. It's…

> They aren't looking to replace Apple, they are just trying to find a way to get their revenue growing again This is such an odd sentiment. Meta was first in this segment, they've spent billions and billions, harmed their reputation as a company on Wall Street, etc. etc.. Apple comes in after them, with, from what we can tell, a superior product. This rationalization that this was all part of Meta's master plan all…

Most products aspire to be the Apple of their category. Ending up as successful as Android is definitely not a blunder...
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