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Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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majormajor wrote: post #841
ALittleLight wrote: post #815

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Retweet could show the version of the tweet as it was when it was retweeted. If you see a tweet that has a new revision ready you could see a "latest" link. If you see the latest version of a tweet with a version history you could see a "history" link which would show you a revision history.

We've suddenly turned a "simple" feature into something with potentially major architectural changes[0] on how retweeting works too, just in a few minutes here! I wonder what other dragons await the ... lucky ... engineers who will get to size this feature soon. ;) [0] No idea how it works internally, but it would hardly surprise me if the lack of edit functionality caused early design decisions around stuff like thi…

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Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by ejb999 »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #802
ejb999 wrote: post #757

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and tiktok is 100X more appealing to them than either of those. Facebook is for grandparents, twitter is for bots.

I wonder how appealing tiktok will remain after the brains are fried from all the blinking lights :)

personally, I don't understand the appeal of tiktok, guess that makes me too old for the target demographic I guess.

I never liked facebook (fake people bragging about their perfect fake lives for all the world to see).

I used to find value in twitter - but now I just can't wade thru the all noise to get to the value - gave up all major social media years ago, don't miss it.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by jdrc »

jpadkins wrote: post #610
jdrc wrote: post #95

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I sympathize but very rich people owning the media never ends well

isn't by definition that very rich people own the media? Or was there a time period where the media wasn't very profitable and the people who owned them weren't very rich?

i think not. before bezos, elon and zuck they were not owned by the richest-of-the-rich.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by nmfisher »

heavyset_go wrote: post #821
jarrettcoggin wrote: post #723

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He often doesn't do things "by the book" and will not wait for what he thinks is unnecessary red-tape. He will skirt around regulations and taunt the process the entire way. We've seen it many times before, and it's always purely in the benefit of whatever company he's helping at the time. He has no problem throwing people/money/etc. at the problem to get the result he wants and if someone so much as says the opposit…

> He has no problem throwing people/money/etc. at the problem to get the result he wants and if someone so much as says the opposite, they are removed from the equation (fired, publicly ridiculed, etc.). Not just fired or ridiculed, Musk and Tesla have also tried to have a whistleblower murdered by accusing them of being a mass shooter and having them SWAT'd[1]. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-03-13/…

> Early on, according to Gouthro, a company lawyer told him that the previous head of security at the Gigafactory, Andrew Ceroni, had left after a bitter dispute. The lawyer said Ceroni had spied on a union meeting on Musk’s orders and then threatened to tell the world about it when he left the company.

Jesus, what a megalomaniac.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by inglor_cz »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #808
fleddr wrote: post #716

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Strange that both of you would say that. He's a ruthless result-driven executive that doesn't accept excuses. If it's at all impossible for something to get done, he'll get it done. I'm not at all a fan of him, but his power is in execution. A vision is worthless.

His power is in blood diamond money from mummy and daddy during apartheid. His power is in ignoring regulations and laws he doesn't like. His power is in being a modern-day version of PT Barnum. Execution and result-driven like that giant coffin-box he tried to claim could be used to rescue boys from a cave where rescuers were swimming through spaces so narrow they couldn't wear their diving gear? Result-driven, powe…

You really hate and despise that guy, don't you? I guess this is driven by Tesla. People are less dismissive about Musk if they concentrate on SpaceX and not Tesla.

Like it or not, Musk has a talent for attracting young talented engineers and giving them a huge playground to show what they can do. That is the main reason why SpaceX took off so massively, not any shouting to get things done (everyone can do that, but successful space startups are rare, so it isn't an obvious path to success). SpaceX engineers are allowed to have some initiative and aren't kept in a narrow corridor set up by typical corporate bureaucracy.

Contrast this to Bezos, arguably a very strict businessman who used to be much richer than Musk - several orders of magnitude, in fact. Bezos isn't any softer than Musk on his employees, arguably even harder; less shouting, but more pressure. But Blue Origin is a snail compared to SpaceX, even though it was founded 2 years earlier. They have enough money, but they have a problem attracting engineering talent and retaining it.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by cudgy »

ehnto wrote: post #898
PostOnce wrote: post #698

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"stagnant company" Why must every company sustain boundless growth and 24-hour engagement? Change and growth for their own sake can be cancers. Twitter does what it does and people like it (as seen by the fact that they all use it), yet armchair generals cry out that twitter's refusal to turn into "not twitter" is somehow a failure of engineering and management, or some form of incompetence. So, I disagree, I guess.

I agree on one hand, it's a perversion of business that seems to manifest in venture capital bubbles that growth is never satisfied. On the other hand, what are they doing with all that talent?

The question is “what is all that talent doing with Twitter?” Truly talented people are typically restless and discontent with mediocrity. Perhaps, the talent is overrated?

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by martin_a »

Talanes wrote: post #931
martin_a wrote: post #711

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> If it's profitable, it doesn't need more growth. Stakeholders will think otherwise. > An edit button by the way would RUIN it because people who have gone viral with a bad take would simply edit it away. Just add a change history like (I think) FB has. No big deal.

>Just add a change history like (I think) FB has. No big deal. If the Hacker News crowd isn't even sure that the feature exists, there's no way the majority of users are actually checking it. That may solve the problem for the most careful of users, but the conversation is going to be driven by the people who just react to what's in front of them.

I've deleted my FB account several years ago, but this is what I remember: There was a note like "Bearbeitet" ("changed") right in the post header, when a post had been changed after initial posting. You could click on that and see at least one previous version of the post.

A note like this, with a changelog, should therefore be fine for twitter and counter all "I never posted sth. like that!" talk, as it would be easily to be debunked.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by blueflow »

boc wrote: post #652
blueflow wrote: post #336

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Is he doing like, bad things, or this is the regular everyday "racism" name-calling again? I'm having a "The boy who cried wolf" moment right now.

Normally I'd agree, but his father made his fortune from emerald mining in apartheid South Africa. Elon went to an all-white prep school that explicitly didn't allow black students. There's a pretty high chance that Elon was raised in a household that may not have been amazing on the whole racism front.

> ... but his father made ...

Judging people by skin color, not okay, we both agree.

But judging people by their ancestors seems to be the same kind of wrongdoing to me. Both are pretty arbitrary criteria that the target has no control over.

The information that Elon 'might' have a racist upbringing is not really relevant. Whats relevant is whether self-responsible Elon is doing (directly or indirectly) harm to others based on skin color or race or anything like that.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by wolframhempel »

PostOnce wrote: post #698
fleddr wrote: post #678

I think people are really over-analyzing this move. I think it's motivated by prestige, not money, nor is free speech the heart of the matter. Twitter is a stagnant company. They have thousands of engineers that in the span of a decade don't seem to produce much at all, nothing visible or memorable anyway. Long-lasting Twitter problems (culture, spam, algorithm issues) never seem addressed. User growth is stagnating…

"stagnant company" Why must every company sustain boundless growth and 24-hour engagement? Change and growth for their own sake can be cancers. Twitter does what it does and people like it (as seen by the fact that they all use it), yet armchair generals cry out that twitter's refusal to turn into "not twitter" is somehow a failure of engineering and management, or some form of incompetence. So, I disagree, I guess.

I appreciate this sounds counterintuitive, but even in order to stay where it is, a company needs to grow. "Staying where you are" would mean to grow by at least as much as the current inflation rate - which in Feb 22 was 7.9% annualized in the US. Anything below that would be decline - and we're not even talking about fighting off competition, offsetting the dollar value against other currencies etc.

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Post by ladyattis »

axg11 wrote: post #922
ladyattis wrote: post #662

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I don't think that's the case. I don't like Musk because he's all sizzle and very little in terms of steak with his products. Like the most useful any of his companies has done is the work with battery tech at Tesla. The rest has been copy and paste from research done in the past. Plus, he often bungles into the product development process on the technical parts often without any context for him to make anything clos…

Reusable rockets.

That's not a new technology. You can find examples of research going back to the Apollo program where such things were being considered and discussed.
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