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Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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How so? A more transparent twitter would be better for society. That's what he and Jack are pushing for.

> Jack are pushing for. Twitter went further down the ideological rabbit hole with Jack at the helm.

Which he's not happy about.

https://twitter.com/jack/status/1510314535671922689

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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I think people are really over-analyzing this move. I think it's motivated by prestige, not money, nor is free speech the heart of the matter. Twitter is a stagnant company. They have thousands of engineers that in the span of a decade don't seem to produce much at all, nothing visible or memorable anyway. Long-lasting Twitter problems (culture, spam, algorithm issues) never seem addressed. User growth is stagnating…

Counterpoint: Twitter is the only social network I use where I get an unfiltered balance of ideas big and small - CEOs and random Joes. It's where memes are born and proliferate everywhere else (other than TikTok). Twitter WORKS. If it's profitable, it doesn't need more growth. Facebook got ruined because it thought everyone's parents and grandparents should be on it, and now that's the only people on it. My parents…

lol "unfiltered". It's an extremist network that filters in particular sanity.

"Twitter WORKS. If it's profitable, it doesn't need more growth."

You don't get to decide that. It's a publicly traded company. Which means you do need more growth.

"My parents and grandparents are scared of Twitter, and that's how I like it."

Strange thing to be proud of. I guess your own family isn't "cool" enough.

Finally, an edit button can have a timer, as every edit button ever has had for decades.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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> A perfect target for Musk to come in, do a few sweeping changes, and get out. Thereby proving once again that he gets shit done where others can't. Case closed. Whatever merit or lack thereof Musk on the Twitter board has, I would bet money this particular scenario does not happen. Musk is not a turnaround expert or corporate savior (and for the record he's not claiming to be).

Musk has proven to be a 'get shit done' kind of guy though, so if he did want to push through changes he certainly has the capability to do it.

He often doesn't do things "by the book" and will not wait for what he thinks is unnecessary red-tape. He will skirt around regulations and taunt the process the entire way. We've seen it many times before, and it's always purely in the benefit of whatever company he's helping at the time.

He has no problem throwing people/money/etc. at the problem to get the result he wants and if someone so much as says the opposite, they are removed from the equation (fired, publicly ridiculed, etc.).

I personally don't see what benefit he can bring to Twitter other than shaking up the culture. Who knows, he may even come in, take over, and claim to be a founder of Twitter, just like he did with Tesla.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Yeah, I was thinking exactly that. Assuming that this is the case - that Musk is joining as a savior - is silly. He doesn't fit the profile nor has the track record for that. He may be a visionary (whatever that means), but a excellent, renowned executive that revitalizes companies, heck, that really has never been the case.

Strange that both of you would say that. He's a ruthless result-driven executive that doesn't accept excuses. If it's at all impossible for something to get done, he'll get it done. I'm not at all a fan of him, but his power is in execution. A vision is worthless.

yeah, The Boring Company is absolutely killing it. I use that thing every day

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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This is great news! Twitter and the rest of the rotten and censorious platforms could use a proper shake-up. Hope the authoritarians and political repressives and anyone who works on the content moderation team all resign in protest! Good riddance!

His family are in the club, he's only playing a role. And its not going to be about increasing freedom, sorry. https://web.archive.org/web/20140809023548/http://www.forbes... In South Africa, my father had a private plane we’d fly in incredibly dangerous weather and barely make it back. This is going to sound slightly crazy, but my father also had a share in an Emerald mine in Zambia . I was 15 and really wanted to g…

Lots of downvotes - but this is verifiable!

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Yeah, I was thinking exactly that. Assuming that this is the case - that Musk is joining as a savior - is silly. He doesn't fit the profile nor has the track record for that. He may be a visionary (whatever that means), but a excellent, renowned executive that revitalizes companies, heck, that really has never been the case.

Strange that both of you would say that. He's a ruthless result-driven executive that doesn't accept excuses. If it's at all impossible for something to get done, he'll get it done. I'm not at all a fan of him, but his power is in execution. A vision is worthless.

The vision may be worthless on its own, but in people like Musk or Jobs, the combination if the vision and the ability to execute is absolutely explosive.

Both sell/sold products that hardly need any marketing.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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I think people are really over-analyzing this move. I think it's motivated by prestige, not money, nor is free speech the heart of the matter. Twitter is a stagnant company. They have thousands of engineers that in the span of a decade don't seem to produce much at all, nothing visible or memorable anyway. Long-lasting Twitter problems (culture, spam, algorithm issues) never seem addressed. User growth is stagnating…

"stagnant company" Why must every company sustain boundless growth and 24-hour engagement? Change and growth for their own sake can be cancers. Twitter does what it does and people like it (as seen by the fact that they all use it), yet armchair generals cry out that twitter's refusal to turn into "not twitter" is somehow a failure of engineering and management, or some form of incompetence. So, I disagree, I guess.

Because investors have options like sitting on their money until a recession comes along and buying things during the fire sale.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Musk is the entrepreneur version of "Move fast; break things" - something like "Make it happen; no matter the cost" kind of guy. Leaving a trail of burnt out/injured employees and other negative externalities is just his way of "getting shit done". Not sure how much or how little impact he'll have in the future direction of Twitter, but if I worked there I'd be a bit concerned!

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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> and we get a bifurcated society where specific companies cater to specific politics. That's exactly where we are now? When twitter censors right of center ideas and de-platforms those who think them, we invariably seek refuge in alternatives that engender far more radical thinking than if we had stayed in a larger public discussion.

how much of that is Twitter and how much of that is Fox News?

I don't follow.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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While I agree with you, at the same time if Twitter as a company isn't really doing much, why do they have thousands of developers on staff? I don't think there's anything wrong with being a stable, profitable company, but logically it should also come with a whole lot of layoffs.

> at the same time if Twitter as a company isn't really doing much, why do they have thousands of developers on staff? ...to keep the app running? New devices, new standards, a lot of things change that you need devs to keep up with. Also, what's up with people saying twitter is stagnant? They've added Spaces, Twitter Blue and Crypto Profile Pictures - all 3 massive features added to their product. They're all trash,…

Those things you mention hardly justify thousands of expensive developers to maintain and create. I bet a team of 10 top notch engineers could create Spaces+Blue+Crypto pfp's in a couple months and run it at Twitter scale. Don't forget Instagram was acquired when it had 13 employees serving tens of millions of users.

Speaking out of experience, most engineers in big tech are bike shedding on internal tools that don't do anything useful. A small minority deliver the majority of the impact. On top of that at companies like Twitter and Google some of those useless employees spend their time complaining about social justice initiatives rather than doing work.

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