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The data are clear: The boys are not all right

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Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right

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Post by cjblomqvist »

throwaway46jt7 wrote: post #794
mbfg wrote: post #695

I think a big part of the despair is the obvious difference between what children are taught is the american dream vs what the american reality is. We are told america is the best place on earth with all the doors open to you to be rich. That all other forms of government are flawed and we have excellence here everywhere you look. And then you look at reality and see something else. Sure there are pockets of excellen…

> We are told america is the best place on earth with all the doors open to you to be rich. That all other forms of government are flawed and we have excellence here everywhere you look. What other countries are great compared to America? With all its flaws America is the only country where you can dream of building spaceships, create multi billion dollar tech companies in less than a decade. Any ideology that forces…

Why can't you dream of that in other countries? I come from Sweden and I don't see why swedes baby have those dreams (or realize them in Sweden). Example multi billion dollar companies; Spotify, Klarna (to name a few). We do have SAAB Aerospace and we do have launchpads for rockets. Then, we're less than half the inhabitants of NYC so our course it's less chance that we at any moment in time have any people building rockets than the US (with 30 times more people).

I have a hard time seeing we're unique.

Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right

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Post by stickfigure »

artificialLimbs wrote: post #741
stickfigure wrote: post #738

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Let me try rephrasing that for you. When women are horny, they are statistically more likely to select men based on appearance. "When horny, men are statistically more likely to select women with big tits" is banal and adds nothing to the conversation. I don't understand why these references to ovulation get a pass.

"I don't understand..." Yep. Before birth control, women normally always had ovulation roughly every month. After birth control, not as much. I don't have any idea why you're talking about men.

Ovulation generally corresponds to periods of increased randiness in women.

What, you think women are automatons that can't resist an instinctive prime directive to have babies when they are fertile?

Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right

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Post by imbnwa »

imbnwa wrote: post #628
bradlys wrote: post #526

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Shit sells products. Straight men are a vulnerable audience to sell to. They want sex as much or more than most women and yet they have the least access to it of all people. Sell an image - get them invested in it and sell products that aim to get them somewhere. Yet - it ultimately does nothing. I think Japan is a pretty decent model of where most of the US is going. Anime weebs and what not with waifu pillows will…

We've already seen a few outbreaks the last six or seven years: * The Santa Barbara shooter angry at women * The El Paso, TX and Miami, OH shooters angry about the end of white genetic pool dominance or something * The guy who tried to go on a shooting spree in Harlem and got caught after killing an elderly Black man as practice because "Black men are taking all the White women"

Just so people are aware, the Santa Barbara shooter posted a final manifesto on Youtube prior to his actions, so you can totally go listen to him.

The second bullet point, a written manifesto was posted online. The third obviously admitted to his motivations.

Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right

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Post by artificialLimbs »

stickfigure wrote: post #952
artificialLimbs wrote: post #741

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"I don't understand..." Yep. Before birth control, women normally always had ovulation roughly every month. After birth control, not as much. I don't have any idea why you're talking about men.

Ovulation generally corresponds to periods of increased randiness in women. What, you think women are automatons that can't resist an instinctive prime directive to have babies when they are fertile?

>> Ovulation generally corresponds to periods of increased randiness in women.

Which doesn't mean women only fuck when they're ovulating.

>> can't resist

I'm not sure how you've implied that from what I've said. You sound awfully defensive and angry. I haven't stated any opinions here, in case you didn't notice.

Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right

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Post by silent_cal »

throwabaleofhay wrote: post #768

I walked up around a local area recently. Most days I go for a walk, just to be outside, for silence, to keep a baseline level of fitness. I probably walk an average of 2-3km every day, sometimes no walk, sometimes a 16km walk. It's something that keeps me at least a little bit connected to life. On one of those walks recently I went across a bridge to a lake. There is a stream or river under the bridge, depends on y…

What was the lie?

Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right

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Post by honkdaddy »

_bkr9 wrote: post #679
Teknoman117 wrote: post #462

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Forget the incel subculture, media - traditional, social, or otherwise has been feeding us that for decades as well. If you're not thin and "beautiful", your romantic prospects are zero so why even try. Admittedly, it's also partially one's own fault for buying into it, but being fed a continual stream of the best looking people from a young age seriously alters one's perspective. I spent my entire teenage and young…

Please don't take anything I wrote as an attempt to dissuade you from what sounds like a good idea. As others have pointed out, perhaps a lot depends on just how "overweight" one is. Also, do it for yourself -- the rest is incidental. I'm 6'3"; was 190 lbs at age 19 (university); was 210 pounds at age 21 (could afford to eat out for lunch); was 245 lb at age 40 (depressed + about to be divorced); now back to 220-230…

To be fair though, you're in the top 5% of a massively important trait which women select for with greater precedence than any other physical attribute. 'Dad bod' almost always implies someone of above average height. Women tend to imagine more of a Norm McDonald than a Jason Alexander when they think of 'dad bod'.

Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right

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Post by N1H1L »

wolverine876 wrote: post #372
N1H1L wrote: post #301

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The purpose of a man's life is meaning and the search for it. For years, centuries even, this meaning in a man's life was provided by being a provider. This order was enforced through society. And you can use society and religion interchangeably here because the distinction between the two is only a century or two old. And this order enforced the role of a child-bearer and nurturer to women. Obviously, such an order…

Why do you get to say what someone's purpose is? Why is being a provider necessarily the purpose in life? People might have done it before (I'm dubious of sweeping, golden-age claims like that), but for almost all of human history we lived short, brutal, illiterate lives as hunter-gatherers. I don't feel that is necessarily my purpose in life. Find a meaning that is important to you; be a provider if you like. IMHO,…

Being a provider was the purpose, not is. And I acknowledge that it's restrictive.

Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right

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Post by beiller »

anotherman554 wrote: post #283
beiller wrote: post #128

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Your comment does totally make sense. But I also wonder, would a "Men's Teachers Club" for example have the same level of acceptance?

I don't know if a men's teaching club would be accepted, but I can tell you I've been told by a female school teacher looking for work that it's much easier to get hired as a male because high school administrators are desperate for more male role models to help struggling male students given the lack of male staff in high schools.

It's easier to get hired as a male teacher because university and teaching school grads demographically skew female. There is less supply of male teachers ultimately which causes the high demand for male teachers is what I've heard.

Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right

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Post by N1H1L »

_ktx2 wrote: post #500
adriand wrote: post #441

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Right. It’s our fault, that is, men’s. We live in a society in which we we have disproportionately had the power. And this is the result. But I don’t think it’s really a gender thing, I think it’s a power and money thing. That is, I don’t think mainly white, rich and powerful men set out to disadvantage other men. I think they were more focused on advantaging themselves to the exclusion of everyone else. What I find…

> Right. It’s our fault, that is, men’s. We live in a society in which we we have disproportionately had the power. And this is the result. I find gender blaming conversation to be reductive. The decline of men and boys is not men's fault nor is it women's fault. Dare I say there's little data to show either way, nor is it really helpful in healing from a dysfunctional society that has failed you on a systemic and in…

Sadly, I could upvote you only once. You have hit the nail on the head.

Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right

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Post by CodeGlitch »

medo-bear wrote: post #473
ytwombly wrote: post #150

US-based cis-hetero white man here. The data reinforce the impression you get glancing at the headlines or spending a day out anywhere in America observing other men. Dare I say it even reinforces what I know from painful firsthand experience as a man, at the lowest points in my life. I was lucky though, with a supportive family who helped me through the confusing years of early adulthood. You can point to the declin…

> US-based cis-hetero white man here ?

Yes I agree - "cis" is a made up word invented to try and win arguments.
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