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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by hker » Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 7:16 PM UTC

nneonneo wrote: post #824

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On an individual level, it would appear that just being from Hong Kong and not China will get you death threats.

I feel compelled to clarify this: Hong Kong is part of China, and has been since 1997. Saying that Hong Kong is not part of China is like saying that Texas is not part of the United States because at one point they seceded. These days, Texas has no more right to secede from the US than Hong Kong from China, even if there are people in both territories who would prefer full independence. Consequently, to a Chinese per…

Note that the sovereignty of Hong Kong is not as clear cut, because history.

Hong Kong was given to the Britain by three treaties in the 19th century (1842 Treaty of Nanking, 1860 Convention of Peking, 1898 The Second Convention of Peking), and the true copies of all treaties are in the hand of Taiwan, which were brought to Taiwan by the KMT government during its retreat to Taiwan before 1950.

If the declaration behind Hong Kong’s 1997 handover to China (the Sino–British Joint Declaration of 1984) is revoked, arguably it could be contested if Hong Kong should belong to the holder of the bearer shares of the three treaties, Taiwan. (See previous discussion [1]).

And in the most recent six-monthly report on Hong Kong published on 14 December 2021 [2], the UK government stated that China is not complying with the Sino-British Joint Declaration:

    With China now in a state of ongoing non-compliance with its international obligations under the UN-registered Sino-British Joint Declaration, the UK will continue to work with international partners to hold China to its legally binding obligations on Hong Kong. Upholding the promises it entered into freely is in the best interests of Hong Kong’s stability and prosperity.

China is not-complying the declaration behind Hong Kong’s 1997 handover to China.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23260934

[2]: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/six-monthly-repor... " Six-monthly report on Hong Kong: 1 January to 30 June 2021"

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by coliveira » Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 8:04 PM UTC

gumby wrote: post #882

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You're right, from the point of view of Americans it is OK to influence every aspect of life in other countries, but if the reverse occurs it is the end of the world. Given that China is quickly becoming the richest country of the world, it is just normal they will have more and more influence in American society, just looking from the economic point of view. Consider for example how Japan started having a cultural i…

China is quite far from being the richest country in the world by any measure.

You can fool yourself as long as you want. Just stop reading the news.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by kevin_thibedeau » Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 8:38 PM UTC

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It’s more complicated than that. They held the line on costs, which let them maintain the freeze, which increased enrollment and alum donations and made investments beyond low-hanging fruit possible. They claim not to have changed their mix of in-state. Daniels is a legitimate tightwad so it’s in character for him to take cost control seriously.

It’s about time politicians and school administrators start taking control of costs and tuition. We shouldn’t call them tightwads for it.

He severely cut staff benefits as part of the belt tightening.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by filoleg » Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 8:48 PM UTC

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> If you seriously think millions of Taiwanese think this of America I would love to see your reaction when you travel there. Whether intentionally or not, I think you are misreading the parent comment. They never claimed that this is how the Taiwanese population views the US now. They are claiming that this is how they are very likely to start viewing the US when/if CCP starts marching towards Taiwan. Those two stat…

Thanks. That's a more reasonable statement but I still stand by my main points that 1. a much, much larger contingent would stay than Americans seem to think, 2. the US is far less desirable a location now than ever, and 3. those that do come to the US will not be going to our backwaters, hell the standard of life in Taipei is arguably higher than in top American cities. I also think violent takeover is a remote hypo…

Absolutely. Those points you are making [regarding why you don't believe that Taiwanese people will have a heavy majority that is for escaping to the US], they are valid, regardless of whether I agree with them or not. And I don't necessarily have a strong reasoning for disagreeing with them, hence why I am perfectly ok with agreeing to disagree on those. Especially since I agree with you in premise, I just disagree on the magnitude.

I fully agree with the violent takeover being a remote hypothetical though.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by DiogenesKynikos » Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 10:17 PM UTC

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #944

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #941

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The "leading consensus in science as to the origins of Covid" is that it was a natural zoonosis. There's very little support for the lab leak conspiracy theory in the scientific community. Yet this conspiracy theory is discussed ad nauseam in the American press, contrary to what you're saying. The reason why this theory has become so popular in the US is that it distracts from the disastrous response to the pandemic…

> China essentially beat the virus by April 2020, and has had almost no cases or deaths since. China has paid a huge economic cost for its zero COVID policy, not many other countries could or would afford such a solution. They aren’t the envy of the world (let alone America) in this regard.

China was the only major economy to grow in 2020.

The Chinese economy did well because of the zero-CoVID policy. The policy allowed China to reopen businesses in March-April 2020, and to avoid widespread lockdowns since.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by lazide » Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 10:40 PM UTC

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Depending on how they handle it, they could end up blacklisted by all Chinese students - which is likely a whole lot more than 200 students. That it could also (in an extreme case) cause many employers with Chinese ties to avoid alumni with Perdue ties to avoid backlash from China is an outcome they can’t ignore either. CCP is not known for rational, reasoned responses in situations like this.

Oh no, Americans would have more spots at an America university. Or students from another nation could take the opportunity. I don't see why we have to specifically import Chinese nationals for those 200 seats when there are plenty of qualified candidates both domestically and abroad.

Non ironically? They pay more (in most cases 10x more).

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by lazide » Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 10:42 PM UTC

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If they have a right to do that, is that harassment? I doubt Purdue (up to now) has any policy saying it’s illegal to report someone to authorities for something they did. Even if those authorities are not popular right now and the thing they did is ok at Perdue but not at home. Is it a ‘dick move’ and offend our sensibilities? Sure. But that doesn’t mean it’s any different than if a bunch of folks from the US were a…

People have been expelled from universities for videos where they used the N-word. I agree with imposing that consequence (unless it was in the distant past and the student has since shown genuine rehabilitation). Reporting someone to a regime which tortures, kills, and harvests the organs of dissenters is orders of magnitudes worse than using a racist slur.

I agree with you, but the Chinese government doesn’t, and they have a long reach. One we are free to ignore, but others seem hesitant to.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by yesenadam » Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 10:43 PM UTC

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I did not say that you were arguing. I just pointed out that you were starting a conversation that could lead nowhere pleasant for anyone so your guests probably wisely stirred away from it.

Or, you’re making a ton of conjecture without knowing the situation, the people involved, their relationship, what was actually said, the emotional context, and are forming all of these opinions stated as fact from a few lines of text on an HN comment. I wish people were more charitable on HN, on the internet, and in life.

What a strange comment, the most uncharitable one I've read in a while on HN. I didn't pick up anything uncharitable at all in the comment you are complaining about, while yours reeks of it - and in the same breath publicly wishing everyone else were more charitable!

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by lazide » Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 10:47 PM UTC

BobbyJo wrote: post #774

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If they have a right to do that, is that harassment? I doubt Purdue (up to now) has any policy saying it’s illegal to report someone to authorities for something they did. Even if those authorities are not popular right now and the thing they did is ok at Perdue but not at home. Is it a ‘dick move’ and offend our sensibilities? Sure. But that doesn’t mean it’s any different than if a bunch of folks from the US were a…

> If they have a right to do that, is that harassment? You can harass someone with legal activity, making it illegal. If I show up outside your house everyday and stand on the sidewalk with a concealed weapon that is obviously illegal harassment. Standing on the sidewalk might be legal, carrying a concealed weapon may be legal, harassing someone with either is not. > But that doesn’t mean it’s any different than if a…

Interestingly enough, in most of your examples you are wrong - legally.

And you seem to be rather completely misreading my comment.

I’m not saying anything that the CCP, the students, or the university is doing is RIGHT.

I’m saying it happens, and it happens a lot, and it’s happened here in the US recently, and it’s not as illegal or clearly stoppable as people here seem to think.

So watch your ass, anyone that thinks that some moral right to speak truth is going to save you without some serious planning or thinking ahead (like the student who spoke out) - because you may very well be a martyr for a cause you did not plan to.

Because I’m one of those who likes to speak out, and I’ve almost been steamrolled by something before. So watch your ass.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by seanmcdirmid » Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 11:06 PM UTC

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #955

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #944

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> China essentially beat the virus by April 2020, and has had almost no cases or deaths since. China has paid a huge economic cost for its zero COVID policy, not many other countries could or would afford such a solution. They aren’t the envy of the world (let alone America) in this regard.

China was the only major economy to grow in 2020. The Chinese economy did well because of the zero-CoVID policy. The policy allowed China to reopen businesses in March-April 2020, and to avoid widespread lockdowns since.

> The Chinese economy did well because of the zero-CoVID policy. The policy allowed China to reopen businesses in March-April 2020, and to avoid widespread lockdowns since

Much of that GDP growth was still tearing down and building apartment blocks. It isn't real. Again, they are completely closed up now. They are "locked down" even if they aren't stuck in their houses anymore. I wouldn't want to be living in Beijing right now (where I was from 2007-2016), it isn't a very fun life these days.