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Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by fudged71 »

beejiu wrote: post #634
siscia wrote: post #426

We are all talking about economics but the whole deal is way more noble than mere money. No European ever has never think "woow this shinny $consumer_object is been produced inside the EU so I don't get to pay the import tax" but every single European younger than 50 at least once in its life has open up the Ryanair website and thought "for 30€ I guess this weekend I will be in London/Paris/Berlin/Madrid/Rome". The w…

I think you'll be surprised how many people spend their time traveling around Europe having fun, being lazy, drinking beer and having sex. I mean, it sounds idyllic, but how many people -- particularly working classes -- do that? I don't buy the idea that people only travel into Europe because of the EU. Freedom to travel is really freedom to work.

I'm a Canadian who just spent 4 months working in London at the end of last year. I was absolutely stunned at how often my coworkers would travel.

I would be excited on Monday to tell people what I got to see on the weekend, and coworkers would tell me about Barcelona and Greece etc. Just wild. The flight/train prices are so absurdly affordable that it just makes sense, personally and professionally, to travel.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by dang »

threeseed wrote: post #466

> Obama threatened the UK of no trade deal. He NEVER said that. You're either lying or ignorant. He simply said that the UK would go to the back of the line for trade deals and given it is simply a smaller market than the EU this is understandably so.

> He NEVER said that. You're either lying or ignorant.

You can't comment like this here, as I'm sure you know. Please edit such incivility out of everything you post to HN.

If you like, you can do as I do and set 'delay' in your profile to a number of minutes (up to 10) to give you editing time before your comment is published.

We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11966563 and marked it off-topic.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by [deleted] »

threeseed wrote: post #466

> Obama threatened the UK of no trade deal. He NEVER said that. You're either lying or ignorant. He simply said that the UK would go to the back of the line for trade deals and given it is simply a smaller market than the EU this is understandably so.

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Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by ommunist »

I think this is a chance for the UK to overthrow Switzerland in private banking. For the rest of us, who are not so private in banking, its time to consider moving to Berlin.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by jv22222 »

I wonder what the conspiracy theorists who believe in the New World Order conspiracy think about this.

Seems like a blow to that theory from where I'm standing.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by mioelnir »

hmmdiggy wrote: post #687
_ph_ wrote: post #468

A very sad day for everyone in Europe. The EU is not only about trade regulations, but about a continent who had a not very peaceful history finally growing together. The freedom of movement for European citizens was not only "convenient" but in fact an important civil right. When you live or have a business in one state of the US, you are bound to local regulations of course, but being part of the US granted you a l…

> Especially I am sad for the young generation in the UK. A very large part (about 75%) voted to stay in Europe, and this future is taken from them The undertones in this point imply that votes from the young generation is worth more than others.

There is a saying I can't fully remember about the nobility of an old man planting a tree, knowing he will never sit in its shade.

At which point should you switch from trying to shape your generation's future to trying to shape the next one's?

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by gaul »

nickbauman wrote: post #794
_ph_ wrote: post #468

A very sad day for everyone in Europe. The EU is not only about trade regulations, but about a continent who had a not very peaceful history finally growing together. The freedom of movement for European citizens was not only "convenient" but in fact an important civil right. When you live or have a business in one state of the US, you are bound to local regulations of course, but being part of the US granted you a l…

> the richer parts have to give to the poorer That's what's different monetary-policy-wise. California, for instance get's like 10 cents on the dollar back from its federal tax burden. Those 90 cents are used to shore up economically (and perhaps other kinds of) backward states like Mississippi. Nothing like this happened in the EU. Germany keeps a lions share of revenue and sends a tiny trickle back to the EU. This…

You have this backwards; California sends the federal government $1.00 and receives 90 cents in return:

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-st...

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by ozborn »

lifeisstillgood wrote: post #282

Let's call the rising tide of politicians shouting "Our Nation First!" (And stage whispering "Our Race First") something like "the New Right". Not fascism per se but isolationist, anti-laissez faire and definitely anti-science. So what is "The New Left"? Left wing politics in the UK is in disarray, Bernie Saunders espouses a vision that most of Europe sees as frankly old hat centrist, and there is no defining politic…

Direct democracy over representative democracy? Sousveillance instead of surveillance? A politics of abundance instead of rapacity?

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by mcguire »

redthrowaway wrote: post #487
_ph_ wrote: post #468

A very sad day for everyone in Europe. The EU is not only about trade regulations, but about a continent who had a not very peaceful history finally growing together. The freedom of movement for European citizens was not only "convenient" but in fact an important civil right. When you live or have a business in one state of the US, you are bound to local regulations of course, but being part of the US granted you a l…

The US did not magic itself into existence as a united state. It began in common purpose with a shared, very strong, external enemy. It then assigned itself a shared dream of settling the content. And, crucially, it already had a shared cultural identity, shared language, and shared religion when it began. The EU does not have a common enemy to force it together. It does not have a shared language, or culture, or ide…

"The US did not magic itself into existence as a united state. It began in common purpose with a shared, very strong, external enemy. It then assigned itself a shared dream of settling the content. And, crucially, it already had a shared cultural identity, shared language, and shared religion when it began."

People keep making this comparison, but they also keep forgetting two elements:

1. After the revolution, parts I and II, as part of the shared dream, they identified an even better external enemy, one which was not only weaker but could easily be vilified.

2. Then there was that whole civil war thing, which killed something like 2-2.5% of the population. (I know, that's low by European standards. For comparison, WWI cost France something like 3.5%. Anyway, still...)

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by djhn »

wobbleblob wrote: post #858
darawk wrote: post #271

So, devil's advocate here: Can someone explain to me why this is a bad thing? I feel like most educated people seem to think this is terrible (and the markets seem to agree), but to me, the European union seems like an anti-democratic institution that doesn't really provide much value. I mean, don't me wrong, removing trade barriers is probably good. But won't the UK just be able to pretty quickly renegotiate basical…

People like you are repeating that 'anti-democratic' mantra all the time, without really explaining what they mean. When politicians hear people say 'not democratic enough!', they think you mean 'more power to the EU parliament' (elected directly) and less to the European Commission (one member per member state, chosen by your own elected government), but that's not what they want, is it? What they really mean is the…

I fully agree with you, however to correct your figures about Finland, the budget is 55 billion. http://vm.fi/en/the-budget
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