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Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by JohnBooty »

libraryofbabel wrote: post #524
holmesworcester wrote: post #488

I think we should see this as simply silly behavior by a government. Export control is not an effective tool for controlling a consumer facing technology developers everywhere want to use (see:VPNs) so there was no good faith policy justification for imposing an export control. This is an administration that seems to be keeping track of who its friends are and aren't, and likes to be the center of every story. They a…

I am saying this probably is "silly behavior by a government" and it is a milestone that points towards what the future may look like. Why can't it be both? It's easy to wave this aside as the current administration playing political games. But I don't think there is any reason to assume that the current era of open availability of models is going to continue indefinitely. Do you think that Chinese labs will continue…

Yeah, there’s been a lot of debate about this on r/localllama — will there be a steady supply of new free/open models in the future?

And if not, can we simply keep augmenting “stale” models with new knowledge to keep them useful?

I’m on the pessimistic side of things on both questions.

As for the second question, obviously stale models can be augmented to an extent but it’s nowhere near a substitute for new knowledge being fully baked directly into its training.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by andsoitis »

varjag wrote: post #791
ivraatiems wrote: post #112

When you spend a lot of time telling people how dangerous your products are, people who have the power to keep dangerous products off the market might listen. Especially if those people aren't presently very bright, and are already mad at you for not helping them achieve their unrelated authoritarian goals. I do not think this is somehow a 3D chess move by Anthropic. They are not masterminds, even if they'd really li…

It’s a market manipulation following SpaceX ipo. They’ll buy and then reverse the decision shortly to sell.

If you’re confident that will happen then you can also make that trade and profit, right?

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by linsomniac »

Quarrelsome wrote: post #835

that's some convenient timing, given SpaceX's successful IPO yesterday and anthropic's upcoming one.

I just had that same thought, came here to see if anyone else mentioned that. It's very on-brand for all the will they/won't they tariffs and oil-related war/peace announcements. I guess the tell-tale would be if they rescind this restriction next week, and especially if they flip/flop a few times. A great way to extract wealth out of the market if you know they're coming.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by porkchoppers »

augunrik wrote: post #931
ivraatiems wrote: post #112

When you spend a lot of time telling people how dangerous your products are, people who have the power to keep dangerous products off the market might listen. Especially if those people aren't presently very bright, and are already mad at you for not helping them achieve their unrelated authoritarian goals. I do not think this is somehow a 3D chess move by Anthropic. They are not masterminds, even if they'd really li…

Yeah! I also think that the ban was unintended. I also think that’s a big clown show. People think that LLMs accidentally get good with security patterns. That is not the case, they included all of that in the training data. They could also have left out the knowledge.

I don't think you actually can avoid a subject very effectively. Some things might have to be derived from related examples and real time searches but ultimately a kid raised by helicopter parents is all the more dangerous on the day they find the censored materials.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by viking123 »

resonious wrote: post #401
ivraatiems wrote: post #112

When you spend a lot of time telling people how dangerous your products are, people who have the power to keep dangerous products off the market might listen. Especially if those people aren't presently very bright, and are already mad at you for not helping them achieve their unrelated authoritarian goals. I do not think this is somehow a 3D chess move by Anthropic. They are not masterminds, even if they'd really li…

My gut reaction was that it does look like a PR stunt. But indeed it might also be a blunder caused by all of their other PR stunts. "Our new stuff is soooo dangerous!!", followed by "The US government believed us and acted accordingly".

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Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by anonygoat »

anymouse123456 wrote: post #916

Prediction: This ban will be used to force hardware and OS-level Digital ID down our throats as a "safety measure" to ensure people are "Citizens" before accessing AI technology. Whatever last vestiges of privacy we still enjoy will be taken from us with this as the excuse.

If it were to remain export controlled, it would probably not be accessible direct to consumers. Other export controlled technologies (aerospace, nuclear propulsion) are only worked with by companies that spend a lot of time and money to prove that there are only US citizens working there.
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