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Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by augunrik »

ivraatiems wrote: post #112

When you spend a lot of time telling people how dangerous your products are, people who have the power to keep dangerous products off the market might listen. Especially if those people aren't presently very bright, and are already mad at you for not helping them achieve their unrelated authoritarian goals. I do not think this is somehow a 3D chess move by Anthropic. They are not masterminds, even if they'd really li…

Yeah! I also think that the ban was unintended.

I also think that’s a big clown show. People think that LLMs accidentally get good with security patterns. That is not the case, they included all of that in the training data. They could also have left out the knowledge.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by animanoir »

libraryofbabel wrote: post #450

So many comments here missing the big picture, and just gleefully pointing out that Anthropic got what they deserved, or that this is the natural culmination of some kind of marketing stunt. The real story here is that this may be the beginning of governments restricting the availability of strong LLMs to the public, to you. Fable was the strongest model on the market, and the US government has told you you can't use…

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Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by stephencoyner »

If this ban remains in place, it could mean that Anthropic is forced to remove its non-US citizen employees from frontier research. How can you do work on a model if you’re not allowed to use it?

If we take this further, it could mean that every company that uses AI tools will put a premium on hiring US citizens, since they’re the only ones that can use the best models.

This would transform the tech industry. Then finance, bio-tech, legal, etc.

I doubt it survives in this form, though. The compliance burden of segregating half your engineering org by citizenship is enormous, and the competitive cost of complying is exactly what would generate pressure to carve out exceptions.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by dang »

toasty228 wrote: post #864

> First, Anthropic was founded by people who we know were worried about AI safety and signs point to that still being the case "omg these things are so so so dangerous, no one should ever build them, but anyways give me $7 trillion so we can build them and see for ourselves, it's OK because we're The Good Guys"

Can you please keep snark and/or flamebait out of your posts here? This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Also, please don't use quotes to make it look like you're quoting someone when you aren't (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...).

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48515335.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by epolanski »

holmesworcester wrote: post #488

I think we should see this as simply silly behavior by a government. Export control is not an effective tool for controlling a consumer facing technology developers everywhere want to use (see:VPNs) so there was no good faith policy justification for imposing an export control. This is an administration that seems to be keeping track of who its friends are and aren't, and likes to be the center of every story. They a…

> US voters deserve better.

Yes, something better than a winner-take-all system.

We have now enough data about modern democracies to conclude that presidential and semi-presidential republics are flawed.

Winner-take-all mechanics are not democratic, period, they give voters very little choice to be represented (generally a handful of parties), just two in the US.

People aren't "conservative" or "liberal". They have a huge and diverse array on topics ranging from education, immigration, healthcare, privacy, civil rights, public spending, foreign policies, etc, etc, etc. Yet we bind people to choose among a handful of parties, which at best overlap with some of those opinions, just to elect a single person that is extremely hard to remove (both from a legal point of view and a from that person's rightful ability to claim popular mandate), that do not rely on confidence votes nor their own party support.

And that individual, in the end, really represents fully a very minority of the country (because of the points before) and can also do the opposite of what the promises were, unchecked.

And from a democracy safety itself, please not that every single country turning authoritarian in the last 60 years has been either presidential or semi presidential. Sri Lanka in the 70s is the only exception, there are no others. All others have been presidential.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by vslira »

This ban in particular is probably the wrong decision, but now we're in the timeline where the USG is actively involved in AI model deployment which I think is a positive development within Amodei's beliefs. And I say this unironically and without judgement.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by joshuastuden »

Nition wrote: post #786

I'm surprised how much of the discussion here is taking the angle of "Anthropic pretended this model was soooo dangerous for months as marketing, and it seems like someone decided to believe them!" First, Anthropic was founded by people who we know were worried about AI safety and signs point to that still being the case. It's really cynical to say it was all an exaggeration for marketing. Second, this isn't Moller p…

Signs point to them not caring.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by softwaredoug »

vslira wrote: post #938

This ban in particular is probably the wrong decision, but now we're in the timeline where the USG is actively involved in AI model deployment which I think is a positive development within Amodei's beliefs. And I say this unironically and without judgement.

No this is bad

What you want is a neutral regulatory framework that markets can plan against. Not random executive action that can easily be abused.

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