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What I find the most jarring about this on a day-to-day being in tech circles is how some of the smartest people I know are not only unwilling to call out what's happening, they're unwilling to acknowledge it to begin with, and some like the triangle man and Collison brothers even support it. The more time I spend in tech the more I realize there's a deep moral rot here covered up by noveau-rich wealth
I think the most amazing part of the comments is how much the sentiment has changed over the last 2 years. Is anybody else noticing this?
People will latch onto even implausible justifications to avoid changing their opinion. When there's just nothing at all, it gets a bit difficult.
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Read the article
I did. 450, according to CNN, no sources cited, and no reference to how many died of hunger before the war. One thing I did not expect on this board is innumeracy.
But, obviously, there's no reliable source in a war zone, and starving people often don't die directly from hunger, but from disease after being weakened. Most statistics about deaths from famines are estimates after the fact.
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> Israel fully controls USA (especially this administration) This is the political equivalent of Flat Eartherism. The 'Earth is a perfect sphere' take would be that there are significant numbers of Americans for whom Israel is a single-issue item, and significantly more for whom it's a top three. These voters can swing elections in Pennsylvania, Arizona, Georgia and possibly Michigan, and so are given a lot of defere…
yea, lets go with that, definitely we are involved in a genocide because of 7 voters in arizona. additionally, neither party’s candidate can dare be “anti” israel so this is an election issue as much as … don’t even have a witty comparison for this :)
Plenty do. They lost their primaries because most Americans don't want to be lectured on foreign policy while their grocery bills are going up.
Most Americans won't rank any foreign policy as a top-10 issue. Out of those that do, until very recently, most of them were passionately anti-China or Russia, pro-Israel or anti-Cuba. So those become electorally-salient divides.
You're now seeing, in Democratic politics, the winds sort of change. Hence less explicit pro-Israeli rhetoric from some electeds. But that still doesn't mean the median American voter cares about a war in Gaza more than they do their personal finances.
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We see here an example of a useless idiot. Point 1, nonsense: Allies fed Germans during WW2, the US fed Iraqis and Afghans during their wars and occupations. Point 2, nonsense: The Rafah crossing has been intermittently open, and Egypt has allowed aid in coordination with the UN. Israel has bombed the Rafah crossing multiple times since October 7th. Point 3, whataboutism. Sudan and Yemen are in the news in my circles…
My whole point is that there is a double standard applied to the only Jewish state vs all other countries, and I'm afraid you have given pretty weak rebuttal. Point 1: nope, the Allies provided minimal food to the Germans during the conflict. They were too busy bombing the crap out of German cities, and they didn't bother on warning the civilians first, as Israel does in Gaza. The aid came AFTER the Nazis had uncondi…
Point 1 empirically wrong. Of course more food was provided after guns went silent.
Point 2 you sound like you agree with me and disagree with your original post.
Point 3. Reveals you as a propagandist.I've demanded that Hamas releases the hostage. From your rather uninformed framing it's clear you think there's a war on all of Gaza and not just Hamas. You just read an article on how Israel engineered a famine, correct? This reveals quite a lot about your relationship to truth and human suffering.
The situation in Gaza is horrifying and despair-inducing. While acknowledging the incredibly complex historical context of the region and the security bind that Israel is in, IMO they have surrendered all moral authority by their actions there. The military campaign and blockade of aid into Gaza is wildly disproportionate and monstrous.
Denying Palestinians their basic human rights to create an apartheid ethno state is not complex. The narrative that “it is complex therefore there is nothing to be done” is meant to paralyze people from standing up for what’s right. The solution has always been a single democratic secular state from the river to the sea. For all inhabitants of the land. Including those expelled previously.
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> They have been willing to constantly fight, and constantly keep getting killed by an enemy with overwhelming advantages, for their cause for two years now Hamas has. If you put this deal to a plebescite in Gaza, do you really think they'd vote for more war?
If you gave the jewish resistance in Nazi Germany the same deal, would you be just as suprised if they continued to fight for total freedom?
Yes?
Just so I understand the hypothetical, the Jewish resistance in Nazi Germany (not really a singular thing, but I'll read this as the French Resistance and ghetto leaders) are offered amnesty, i.e. an end to the Holocaust, in exchange for literally anything? Why wouldn't they take it? It's literally a choice between life and death.
And again, it gives time for regrouping, clear thinking, rallying support. Turning it down seems to scream that the offer, in this hypothetical an end to the Holocaust, in our timeline a ceasefire, isn't actually that important. At that point, both sides are choosing to fight. European Jews didn't choose the Holocaust. I don't think Palestinians are choosing this war, but if they turned down a peace deal, they by definition are.
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Do you really believe that this have anything to do with the hostages? They want the land, that's it. It could be done little by little or it could be done like now, when they have an excuse. But the end goal is the same. Do you think that what they are doing in the west-bank have anything to do with the hostages or Hamas?
> Do you really believe that this have anything to do with the hostages? To a significant degree, yes. If Hamas turned over the hostages today, Israel's position would significantly weaken. Palestinians' would strength. But so would Hamas', which is why they haven't.
in what way? what new negotiating or military power would the palestinians gain?
It's wild to me how many people here use the "it's war, bad things happen" to justify the situation. Weird that it needs to be said, but this is why war crimes are a thing. Just because it's an armed conflict, doesn't mean anything goes.
Keep in mind that there is a lot of money to be made by defending Israel. Some people will take that money. Just a few citations below:
- Certain social media influencers being paid up to $7000 per post [1]
- Israel boosts propaganda funding by $150m to sway global opinion against genocide [2] [3]
- "[...] a firm called Bridges Partners LLC has been hired to manage an influencer network under a project code-named the “Esther Project.” " [4]
[1] https://responsiblestatecraft.org/israel-influencers-netanya...
[2] https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/isr...
[3] https://jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.com/israel-has-spent-m...
[4] https://www.jta.org/2025/09/30/united-states/israels-secret-...
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Starvation may also cause epigenetic and metabolic changes, which persist and are even passed to next generations. In children tissue dystrophy is particular damaging, since their bodies are still developing. Starvation is a really fucking bad thing.
It's nature's way of communicating to the next generation. That is crazy and beautiful.
Molecular evidence was notably described in nematodes, so epigenetic inheritance is a very old mechanism. I don't think you could describe molecular transgenerational trauma as beautiful, or useful adaptation regarding human life. Especially considering the artificial nature of every famine in today's world, where we are producing enough food to feed all humans on earth three times over.