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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by quails8mydog »

YZF wrote: post #530
shihab wrote: post #125

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And here is an article on Raffi berg, BBC’s Middle East editor: https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/bbc-civil-war-gaza-israel-bia...

And here is an analysis of BBC's anti-Israeli bias: https://asserson.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/asserson-r... And from the BBC itself: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2d4egk17l2o "Questions still remain for BBC after damaging Gaza documentary" https://www.ynetnews.com/culture/article/skcfkb1iyx "From bias to blunders: The BBC’s anti-Israel shift since October 7"

I read the 1st third (it's really long) and while the data analysis is interesting, the conclusions say a lot more about the biases of the author(s) than those of the BBC. Fundamentally you can't use sympathy as a measure of bias without first establishing a baseline for how sympathetic the views and/or groups of people are. The report mentions that Palestinians might be more sympathetic because they're the ones being blown up, but then discards this by pointing out that the BBC is supposed to "ensure broadly comparable treatment of the Palestinian and the Israeli viewpoints" without acknowledging that maybe they do and one viewpoint is more sympathetic than the other. The least sympathetic group according to the report is Hamas, so according to it's logic they're the group the BBC is most biased against. Not a reasonable conclusion. There's plenty of other indicators that this report started with a conclusion then tried to gather data to support it, but I've already spent more time on this comment than the report deserves.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by mmooss »

Whoppertime wrote: post #777
mmooss wrote: post #544

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Just endless conspiracies. Which newsroom leaders get their money from what places? Why do leaders in government and business hate journalists so much and invest so much in discrediting them?

https://www.emarketer.com/content/pharma-companies-increase-... https://www.fiercepharma.com/marketing/pharma-passes-tech-cl... Newsrooms, online or otherwise get a lot of money from Big Pharma Pharma has overtaken tech to become the second-largest industry for ad spending in 2023.

I'm not sure what your point is. Journalism needs funding, they must get it somewhere. Many journalism outlets have turned to subscriptions and donations, but whoever provides funding can be accused of influencing them. If they are funded by subscriptions, can they publish something their readers dislike?

The GGP comment said that journalists conspired with the country's leaders, not business.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by mmooss »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #801
mmooss wrote: post #542

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Just rumors and conspiracy theories. Where can we see evidence of what you claim? What do you claim Kahn has done? Do you have evidence? The NY Times regulary publishes news critical of Israel. Children and parents, siblings, etc. disagree, sometimes extremely, regularly. Children and parents disagreeing is one of the most common stories in humanity. Should Joe resign because of dad's activities?

> Where can we see evidence of what you claim? This is not only a reasonable question, but it is a good one, too. Unfortunately, the line beforehand: > Just rumors and conspiracy theories. ...makes it seem like you've already made up your mind, and makes it difficult to interpret your post as a good-faith attempt on your part to learn something new from someone.

The issue that matters is not me, whoever I am and whatever I think, it's the claims made by the GGP. Which remain worthless until proven otherwise, like all other claims.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by int_19h »

NoOn3 wrote: post #921
NoOn3 wrote: post #898

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For me, there is not much difference between these names. Anyway, choosing a name doesn't change the actual events... Yes it's not good. But it's bad saying only about war aggression and not saying at all about bloody coup and bloody nationlist crimes.

It's all very complicated there is no ideal side. I'm sorry if I offended anyone.

It's not very complicated. Russia invaded Ukraine, occupied large parts of its territories, and forcibly annexed it. Russia is the aggressor and the war criminal. These are all objective facts.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by mmooss »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #615
mmooss wrote: post #536

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> The editorial boards of these newsrooms are often staffed with people who attended the same schools and classes as those running the country. The social circles of the two worlds are extremely closely linked. This is a conspiracy theory - they are secretly conspiring. Do you have evidence of this conspiracy actually happening on any scale? Many attended the same universities on all sides of politics and issues. The…

>This is a conspiracy theory Doesn't meet the criteria of what people typically call a conspiracy theory. It's easily verified or debunked by amateurs with publicly available information, it doesn't seem absurd on its face, and it makes no claims other than those of association (certainly none of blatant felony, coup, or world domination).

> Doesn't meet the criteria of what people typically call a conspiracy theory.

You mean that you find it credible. But we need evidence; human intuition of truth has led to 9.x thousand years of pre-science.

> It's easily verified or debunked by amateurs with publicly available information

If there was a specific factual claim - about who and what associations - it would take a mountain of research to explore it across the very many people involved. But there's not a specific claim - like most conspiracy theories.

And the implications, the only things that matter here, are unspoken conspiracy theories - again unspecified.

> it doesn't seem absurd on its face, and it makes no claims other than those of association (certainly none of blatant felony, coup, or world domination).

You know what claims it implies; otherwise it would be meaningless.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by ath3nd »

mmooss wrote: post #936
ath3nd wrote: post #667

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> I do not disagree with your comment in general, I disagree with you putting "Judaism" while the almost all the critique and rebuke is aimed at the Israeli war crimes or the Zionist supremacy ideology. It's good that you brought this up! It's a common right-wing tactic to conflate themselves with the purest version of something that is highly regarded and hide behind it. E.g the Nazis conflated themselves with "pure…

> Fortunately, if history goes to show us anything, it's these hate-fueled-orders always end up imploding. That's taking the 'in the long run' analysis to an extreme. In WWII, after hundreds of millions died - including over 10 million murdered by the hate-filled - major parts of the world were devestated, and the free world united in a massive war, the hate-fueled were stopped. They didn't implode. The idea that the…

> They won't stop until you stop them.

Amen!

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by YZF »

dttze wrote: post #938
YZF wrote: post #935

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None of the articles say what you claim. There's no mention of dressing civilians in IDF uniforms. The claim is they are forced to enter suspected booby trapped building, not "conducting military operations". It's quite possible that this happens sometimes, and yes it's not supposed to, but that's war for you. From the CNN article btw: "The soldier said that he and his comrades refused to carry on with the practice a…

From that same CNN article: > “They dressed us in military uniforms, put a camera on us, and gave us a metal cutter,” he said. “They would ask us to do things like, ‘move this carpet,’ saying they were looking for tunnels. ‘Film under the stairs,’ they would say. If they found something, they would tell us to bring it outside. For example, they would ask us to remove belongings from the house, clean here, move the so…

Fair enough. I missed that while scanning through it. The evidence of one Palestinian but sure. Could have happened.

I know this is a tough one but the question is what are the norms. One anecdote (including one unit where this is practiced) doesn't answer the question. The anecdotes are just that. This practice could have happened 10 times out of 100K, could have happened 100 out of 100K, could have happened 1000 out of 100K.

I'm pretty sure this is not the norm. I.e. that all/most/many IDF units advance in Gaza by capturing Palestinians, putting them in IDF uniforms, and sending them in the front. Very very far from it.

I would rather we had zero stories like this one.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by YZF »

quails8mydog wrote: post #941
YZF wrote: post #530

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And here is an analysis of BBC's anti-Israeli bias: https://asserson.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/asserson-r... And from the BBC itself: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2d4egk17l2o "Questions still remain for BBC after damaging Gaza documentary" https://www.ynetnews.com/culture/article/skcfkb1iyx "From bias to blunders: The BBC’s anti-Israel shift since October 7"

I read the 1st third (it's really long) and while the data analysis is interesting, the conclusions say a lot more about the biases of the author(s) than those of the BBC. Fundamentally you can't use sympathy as a measure of bias without first establishing a baseline for how sympathetic the views and/or groups of people are. The report mentions that Palestinians might be more sympathetic because they're the ones bein…

Thanks for giving it a read though.

I think it's an interesting question of how we measure bias.

For me, as an Israeli (who hasn't lived there for decades), who has some first hand knowledge of the situation, much of the reporting appears to be extremely biased. I know there are claims from the other side the bias goes in the other direction. What's the ground truth? I think using AI to crunch the large amount of data is a decent first order approximation.

Ofcourse bias depends on ideology. For some people if a Palestinian guns down an Israeli in a Tel-Aviv bar simply reporting this fact is biased towards Israel. And I mean, from their position that is understandable. And indeed we can see some media outlets that would not report these events at all, which I would consider an anti-Israeli bias.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by gryzzly »

michaelsshaw wrote: post #914
int_19h wrote: post #827

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Not massacring civilians by the hundreds would be a good start.

And what about by the tens of thousands?

https://www.euronews.com/2025/04/03/hamas-run-health-ministr...

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by Braxton1980 »

Retric wrote: post #900
Braxton1980 wrote: post #888

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How can the net effect be similar if the actions aren't?

Their goals are similar. There’s lots of different ways of achieving similar ends. I’ve seen a lot more paid commercials from Israel side, but a lot more posts using Palestine’s side talking points. Same way you can build a wood or brick home, historically which people chose had a lot to do with local materials.

>Their goals are similar.

This isn't then your previous comment that the results are similar.

Goals aren't nearly as important as results.

Also, to dive deeper, what goals and how many are similar, and how similar?

If you mean they are both supporting Israel, then yes, but the Democrats exert more control over their actions. For example Biden was limiting the bomb size that Israel could purchase and Trump removed that.

So if you want to help the Palestinians one side is the better than the other. It doesn't matter if the goals are similar or even the results. There's still a difference and as you can see voter apathy only helped Republicans

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