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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by loceng »

SirSavary wrote: post #795
loceng wrote: post #699

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He increased size of Federal government by 43% since 2015 - from Grok: "By March 31, 2024, the federal government's payroll included 367,772 employees, up from 257,034 in 2015." That's 110,738 new people on pay roll - but not that are actually productive for the economy, they are counted but are not the same as free market jobs - they're actually the opposite and a negative to the economy. This also doesn't account f…

You’re conflating separate issues here—federal employment growth, economic productivity, and temporary foreign workers (TFWs)—in an attempt to overwhelm the conversation. First off, the claim of ‘millions of TFWs’ is pure hyperbole. TFWs currently make up around 4.1% of the workforce [1], or roughly 1.1M workers—not ‘millions.’ Ironically, if TFWs are such a large share of the workforce, the federal job increase (~11…

I referenced TFW + student visas.

Otherwise you missed my points of the economic harm of TFWs displacing Canadians already here looking for work but won't accept work

The same "debate" is going on passionately in the US in regards to the H-1B program.

Otherwise I'll avoid engaging further with you since you "cherrypicked" what you read of mine, and then you try to subtly demonize/put me down by claiming "in an attempt to overwhelm the conversation."

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by loceng »

tills13 wrote: post #899
loceng wrote: post #699

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He increased size of Federal government by 43% since 2015 - from Grok: "By March 31, 2024, the federal government's payroll included 367,772 employees, up from 257,034 in 2015." That's 110,738 new people on pay roll - but not that are actually productive for the economy, they are counted but are not the same as free market jobs - they're actually the opposite and a negative to the economy. This also doesn't account f…

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I knew roughly what the numbers should be, and Grok had the correct answer.

Does your comment add anything to the conversation?

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by thirdsun »

reverendsteveii wrote: post #539

Is it me or does it seem like the internet era has taken away incumbent advantage and actually put incumbents at a massive disadvantage? I'm not here to attack or defend what Trudeau has actually done, only to posit the idea that once you become a leader in the political landscape there is a very effective machine whose only job is to attack you, personally, as much as possible anywhere you're perceived to be vulnera…

I think the problem is that a large and growing part of the population is in a constant state of dissatisfaction, if not downright anger, often being fed or demanding simple solutions to complex problems. At that point it doesn't seem to matter if those solutions actually work as long as they promise change. And when it becomes clear they won't or require long term planning people will just demand new leadership and the cycle continues.

Let's face it. Most problems require patient approaches. Often changes that are made won't show their effects until years or decades later. Unfortunately that encourages short term thinking towards the next election in government and population alike.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by loceng »

SirSavary wrote: post #781
loceng wrote: post #692

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please look at these numbers in depth - not how they're presenting them. Similarly, the majority of industry growth has been Federal jobs - from Grok: "Since Trudeau took office in 2015, the size of the federal public service has grown by approximately 43%. By March 31, 2024, the federal government's payroll included 367,772 employees, up from 257,034 in 2015." 43% increase; paid for by the public.

A 43% increase in federal jobs sounds big until you realize it’s ~110,000 positions over 9 years. For this to be the ‘majority of industry growth,’ Canada would need to have added just ~200,000 jobs in total since 2015. That’s laughably off—Canada typically adds hundreds of thousands of jobs annually. For context, Canada’s employment grew by ~2.7M jobs between 2015[1] and the end of 2024[2]. Federal job growth is a d…

A 43% increase and the state of affairs in Canada is far worse now, including that he doubled Canada's debt to over $1.2 trillion - so now our interest payments are also huge, far less money every day going to social services because it's instead just paying interest on the debt.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by hmmm-i-wonder »

I-M-S wrote: post #878
hmmm-i-wonder wrote: post #373

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its very possible the next candidate inherits the overall sentiment and is indeed a 'sacrificial lamb'. The anti-Trudeau sentiment is high, but if he steps back its an open question if the left wing/ABC crowd and centrists revisit their support for the liberal party. IMO Chrystia Freeland would be a great pick for the country. She was firm and capable during the NAFTA/USMCA renegotiations, and seems to have stood up…

Neither of them can reverse the Liberal fortunes. Chrystia Freeland was too close to Trudeau for too long (their fallout notwithstanding) to be perceived as anything than Trudeau 2.0 Marc Carney is a (two time!) head of a central bank - he hasn't got a chance in the current anti-elite climate.

You are very likely correct.

Then again I'm on the fence on Freeland, as are most of my circle as anecdotal as that is. Our issues with Trudeau don't completely extend to her, and if she differentiates herself well enough along a few lines she might get more support than traditionally expected from a Trudeau cabinet member.

Or maybe that's wishful thinking. Our alternatives haven't done much in the way of proposing a viable alternative path and have focused almost explicitly on criticizing Trudeau and the parties actions. Its appealing to the "fuck trudeau" flag flyers but I do wonder if centrists will find the CPC appealing without a change in direction and messaging now Trudeau is leaving.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by fooster »

refurb wrote: post #796
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #663

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thing is, the federal government does not have the power to "ask the police" to do anything. That's obviously by design and part of the demarcation of powers we expect from a democracy. The accusations of authoritarianism would have been just as drastic (I think?) if the PM had stood up and tried to call the RCMP or Ottawa police / OPP to task for their inaction and so on. Sibling commenter is right: the police shoul…

> Thing is, the federal government does not have the power to "ask the police" to do anything. Wut? The RCMP reports to Parliament up through the Public Safety minister. The bucks stops with the PM. The federal government has not only the right but the obligation to hold the RCMP accountable.

RCMP in Ottawa would enforce federal laws not provincial. Seems to me you are talking about OPP responsibilities.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by hoseja »

zht wrote: post #840
throwaway94721A wrote: post #657

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It may have been an emergency in the first days with the honking. That largely stopped after a week or so. They switched to camping in front of the parliament with bouncy castles etc. The bridge that was occupied in another province was cleared. I'm really not under the impression that at the time they went in there was any emergency. It was ugly: Peaceful unarmed protesters in pedestrian zones with no trucks in sigh…

yea if you ignore the public shitting, public pissing, drunkenness, the harassment of locals, then yea, it was only bouncy castles, or stuff like this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42613957

Are you describing the truckers?

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by RegnisGnaw »

ternnoburn wrote: post #922
RegnisGnaw wrote: post #323

One of my big issues with J.T. is his massive waste of money on gun control. The vast majority of guns used in crimes in Canada are illegal guns from the US, with most being hand guns. The Liberals under J.T. has proposed a ban on assault style weapons (not assault weapons, mind you which are already banned) that so far has cost over $70M without guns being collected. The estimate cost is over $800M to collect them.…

This is one area leftists and right wingers can agree on -- gun control doesn't work, it punishes minority communities, it targets the wrong things, and it's written in ways that aren't backed by data. Leftists want to be armed for community defense (and because Marx and other leftist writers wrote about the importance of being armed). That said, if I show up at the range with a pride flag on my rifle people lose the…

I forgot to mention, but the 'assault style weapons' are legal currently. All of the owners have proper licenses, have background checks, and are registered with the government.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by incomingpain »

newfocogi wrote: post #9

I hadn't heard that this was likely to happen. Any Canadians here able to weigh on whether this was expected or is a normal procedure for your elected officials?

>I hadn't heard that this was likely to happen. Any Canadians here able to weigh on whether this was expected or is a normal procedure for your elected officials?

For many months liberal backbenchers have been calling for him to resign. Though obviously not 'likely to happen'

Only weeks ago(mid december) Trudeau refused his own caucus' call to resign. Saying he was staying on to fight for Canadians. Freeland quit with a flaming public letter and he still said he's staying in the game.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberals-renew-calls-trudea...

Didnt really do much, it took weeks more before he finally resigned yesterday. Despite this, still no resignation. Now parliament has been mostly suspended due to the liberal's failure to submit documents. A significant scandal.

The reason his caucus is upset is because the vast majority of them will lose in the next election. Polling suggesting they hold onto ~20 seats in an Ignatief level of fail. Resignation will still be quite unlikely. From a strategic point of view, taking the L election night and then letting a new liberal leader rebuild their reputation over 4 years is the right move.

You'll now have a leadership race where nobody wants the career ending job. The rats that try to fight for it just want their name as prime minister.

Yet here he finally resigned. Change Control dictates it was the gun ban.

The polls post-gun ban put the liberals in single digit seats. It was over for him. The gun ban ended Trudeau.

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