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Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by mark_l_watson »

xenospn wrote: post #356
mark_l_watson wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think regretting Mac upgrades is a real thing, at least for me. I got a 32G Mac mini in January to run local LLMs. While it does so beautifully, there are now smaller LLMs that run fine on my very old 8G M1 MacBook Pro, and these newer smaller models do almost all of what I want for NLP tasks, data transformation, RAG, etc. I feel like I wasted my money.

Which ones in particular? I have an M2 air with 8GB, and doing some RAG development locally would be fantastic. I tried running Ollama with llama3.2 and it predictably bombed.

I would have thought that llama3.2:latest would run OK with 8G. Same for phi3.5:latest

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by aorth »

BossingAround wrote: post #926
aorth wrote: post #886

Four generations into the new platform and there is no answer from anyone else in the industry. Incredible.

Intel's Core 5/Core 7/Core 9 are an answer.

I dunno. Four years ago the MacBook M1 Pro was able to compile WebKit nearly as fast as the Mac Pro, and nearly twice as fast as the Intel-based MacBook Pro, and still had 91% battery versus 24% in the Intel-based MacBook Pro. Incredible.

https://techcrunch.com/2020/11/17/yeah-apples-m1-macbook-pro...

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by diffeomorphism »

russelg wrote: post #842
ActorNightly wrote: post #449

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Im sorry but any laptop that costs $1000 should come with 64 gigs minimum, or expandable slots.

Can you actually point out any retail laptops with that spec for that price?

That is pretty obviously a joke.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by diffeomorphism »

coolspot wrote: post #496
jhickok wrote: post #246

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My one concern is that nano-texture apple displays are a little more sensitive to damage, and even being super careful with my MBPs I get the little marks from the keyboard when you carry the laptop with your hand squeezing the lid and bottom (a natural carry motion).

Put a facial tissue over keyboard before closing the lid.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/102177

Will that break the display like it did for tape over the webcam?

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by ethagknight »

I wish Apple would include a USB-C data port or 2 on their big charger brick for the same single-cord bliss that the iMac enjoys (while plugged in). My little USB hubs that I carry around cant sufficiently power the MacBook pro

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by ActorNightly »

russelg wrote: post #842
ActorNightly wrote: post #449

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Im sorry but any laptop that costs $1000 should come with 64 gigs minimum, or expandable slots.

Can you actually point out any retail laptops with that spec for that price?

Ideapad Gaming for example, less than $1000 and expandable slots to 64gb.

I get that small form factor requires soldered ram, but RAM is also very cheap these days.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by preisschild »

aorth wrote: post #886

Four generations into the new platform and there is no answer from anyone else in the industry. Incredible.

I switched my work M1 Max with an AMD Ryzen 9 7940HS Framework 16 running Linux and am happier since.

I guess it depends on the person which computer is better for them.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by jsnndjxjd »

aorth wrote: post #886

Four generations into the new platform and there is no answer from anyone else in the industry. Incredible.

There are both more powerful and more battery efficient offers available.

The Apple ARM laptops are just on an arbitrary point belong the power/efficiency scale.

If it happens to match your needs: great

But it's not like it's ahead of the industry in any way ^^

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by talldayo »

ezfe wrote: post #726
paulryanrogers wrote: post #540

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> to purchase a machine that feels like it really belongs to me How true is this when they devices are increasingly hostile to user repair and upgrades? MacOS also tightens the screws on what you can run and from where, or at least require more hoop jumping over time.

You can buy most parts officially from Apple - I just bought a new set of keycaps to replace some on my MacBook Air. Couldn't do that 5 years ago. You can install whatever OS you want on your computer - Asahi Linux is the only one that's done the work to support that. You can disable the system lockdowns that "tighten the screws" you refer to and unlock most things back to how they used to be.

> You can buy most parts officially from Apple

But very distinctly, not all. Apple deliberately makes customers buy more than what they need while refusing to sell board-level ICs or allow donor boards to be disassembled for parts. If a $0.03 Texas Instruments voltage controller melts on your Macbook, you have to buy and replace the whole $600 board if you want it working again. In Apple's eyes, third party repairs simply aren't viable and the waste is justified because it's "technically" repaired.

> You can install whatever OS you want on your computer

Just not your iPhone, iPad or Apple Watch. Because that would simply be a bridge too far - allowing real competition in a walled garden? Unheard of.

> You can disable the system lockdowns that "tighten the screws" you refer to and unlock most things back to how they used to be.

And watch as they break after regular system upgrades that force API regressions and new unjustified restrictions on your OS. Most importantly, none of this is a real an option on Apple's business-critical products.

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