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Everyone mentions the "her" tweet, but I'm surprised to see nobody mention this tweet from ex-OpenAI employee Karpathy: https://x.com/karpathy/status/1790373216537502106 If it sounds nothing like her, and there was no intent to make it sound like her, why would he tweet "The killer app of LLMs is Scarlett Johansson"? Many people made the comparison right after it was released https://x.com/search?q=scarjo%20until%3A2…
Because the functionality is extremely similar to the AI depicted in Her?
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#942People see what they want to see. If it wasn't for us being biased by the surrounding circumstances I don't think people would have confused their voices. Their voices are not that similar. I probably personally know people with a voice as similar to SJ as Sky's. You probably do too. The voice actress says the same: "I’ve never been compared to her by the people who do know me closely." But then suddenly a story emer…
Re: OpenAI didn’t copy Scarlett Johansson’s voice for ChatGPT, records show
#943Earlier quoted context omitted.
> How is it not obvious to everybody that this is what Sam and the OpenAI people are referencing with their tweets? Because according to Johansson, Sam also approached her twice in an attempt to license her voice legitimately. That's not the sort of thing that happens when you make an incidental reference to a film; he wanted that voice, so badly that he tried making a second offer (and got refused). > but it feels m…
I know it's kind of nitpicking, but it was never intended to be misanthropic or a psychological horror. It's a sci-fi romantic drama; I don't really see where the misanthropy or psychological horror aspects are?
Then it just became that by mistake.
> It's a sci-fi romantic drama;
If that was the intention, it failed rather convincingly IMO.
> I don't really see where the misanthropy or psychological horror aspects are?
All over.
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#944Earlier quoted context omitted.
> As an aside, I find it bewildering the hate for success that I see on this site. Some of us find the "great man" worship bewildering. You know, how we think the leaders of these companies are geniuses and have insightful things to say about everything.
I don't mean OpenAI only, I include Google, (which doesn't have any leader, basically) MSFT, TSLA (which does, I know...) etc etc I know that there are problems with each of those companies, but to hate all of them seems like a pattern to me
On the other hand, if it's about companies, I think the issue is more complex. Partially it might be jealousy of Silicon Valley (I know MS is not based there) and their working environment and salaries. But it is also criticism of the tech bubble. Developers outside of that small region are no idiots either...and sometimes they get tired of the vibes being sent out by all the SV hype people...like anything there is great and will change the world and anything not from there is unimportant and dull. I think yes, there are some world-changing things happening in the valley and also in those companies, but a big chunk of the rest is just overabundance of capital that people just need to park somewhere so they throw it at idiotic startup ideas. This capital was generated by reaping in profits (Meta, Google) from all over the world by avoiding taxes through questionable corporate constructs. See google, they make money by selling ads. They only can do that because of the population in their target country and how much those people can spend. This again depends on domestic investments like infrastructure and education, payed for by taxes that google don't contribute to.
This is at least my source of scrutiny when looking at all those players. But to be fair, I don't hate (all of) them.
Re: OpenAI didn’t copy Scarlett Johansson’s voice for ChatGPT, records show
#945Earlier quoted context omitted.
My guess: Sam wanted to imitate the voice from Her and became aware of Midler v. Ford cases so reached out to SJ. He probably didn't expect her decline. Anyway, this prior case tells that you cannot mimic other's voice without their permission and the overall timeline indicates OpenAI's "intention" of imitation. It does not matter if they used SJ's voice in the training set or not. Their intention matters.
Please don't take this as me defending OpenAI's clearly sketchy process. I'm writing this to help myself think through it. If it weren't for their attempt to link the voice to SJ (i.e. with the "her" tweet), would that be OK? - It's fine to hire a voice actor. - It's fine to train a system to sound like that voice actor. - It's fine to hire a voice actor who sounds like someone else. - It's probably fine to go out of…
Yes
> Say I wanted to make my AI voice sound like Patrick Stewart
Don't tweet "engage" of "boldly go where no man has gone before" when you release the product and you should be ok.
Re: OpenAI didn’t copy Scarlett Johansson’s voice for ChatGPT, records show
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Tbf here Altman really screwed this over with that tweet and very sudden contacting. There probably wouldn't be much of a case otherwise. If I had to guess the best faith order of events (more than what OpenAi deserves): - someone liked Her (clearly) - they got a voice that sounded like Her, subconsciously (this is fine) - someone high up hears it and thinks "wow this sounds like SJ!" (again, fine) - they think "hey,…
Just how many "Good faith mistakes" is a company / CEO permitted to make before a person stops believing the good faith part?
Re: OpenAI didn’t copy Scarlett Johansson’s voice for ChatGPT, records show
#947Earlier quoted context omitted.
Clearly an SJ voice was the goal, given that Altman asked her to do it, asked her a second time just two days before the ChatGPT-4o release, and then tweeted "her" on the release day. The next day Karpathy, recently ex-OpenAI, then tweets "The killer app of LLMs is Scarlett Johansson". Altman appears to be an habitual liar. Note his recent claim not to be aware of the non-disparagement and claw-back terms he had depa…
They hired the actor that did the voice months before they contacted SJ . The reaction on this site to the news that this story was false is kind of mindbending.
Re: OpenAI didn’t copy Scarlett Johansson’s voice for ChatGPT, records show
#948Earlier quoted context omitted.
Clearly an SJ voice was the goal, given that Altman asked her to do it, asked her a second time just two days before the ChatGPT-4o release, and then tweeted "her" on the release day. The next day Karpathy, recently ex-OpenAI, then tweets "The killer app of LLMs is Scarlett Johansson". Altman appears to be an habitual liar. Note his recent claim not to be aware of the non-disparagement and claw-back terms he had depa…
They hired the actor that did the voice months before they contacted SJ . The reaction on this site to the news that this story was false is kind of mindbending.
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#949Earlier quoted context omitted.
A more charitable scenario might be that they hire the voice actor and it sounds a bit like her. Someone suggests why don't we just get Scarlett to do it properly, wouldn't that be cooler? They reach out and she says no. They decide to continue with the one that sounds a bit like her.
Genuine question; Why in the world would one expect the more charitable scenario?
Re: OpenAI didn’t copy Scarlett Johansson’s voice for ChatGPT, records show
#950Well, here are some things that aren't really being disputed: * OpenAI wanted an AI voice that sounds like SJ * SJ declined * OpenAI got an AI voice that sounds like SJ anyway I guess they want us to believe this happened without shenanigans, but it's bit hard to. The headline of the article is a little funny, because records can't really show they weren't looking for an SJ sound-alike. They can just show that those…