I wonder if we could liquify the soil and float the ship out of the mud.
One could imagine 15 pile drivers pounding on the shore and a couple of tugs reversing the ship.
Is that ship still stuck?
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#942Earlier quoted context omitted.
For moving containers off the best bet would probably be heavy lift choppers, the ship is large enough you could have several working on it at once and then just drop them off nearby to be loaded onto barges or something. A huge undertaking but it any weight taken off the Evergreen is less digging they have to do and the time is so expensive. Also it's less middle of nowhere there's a pretty large airbase nearby it l…
Like the OP said, folks really aren't understanding the scale of this problem.. If they manage to do a single crate per minute, that's still just under seven days to do them all. An empty forty foot shipping container on its own weighs about four tons and their max supported weight is 33.5 tons, so the problem is somewhere in between for every single container . A Mi-26 helicopter, a "heavy transport helicopter" can…
> Considering how many eyes are on this right now, what do you think is going to happen the first time someone dies?
Considering how many goods and how much money is being blocked up by this the response may be loud from come parties but I doubt governments will care enough to stop it.
Some estimates I saw put the estimate at 10 billion dollars of goods being held up by the jammed ship and the costs of delays caused by sailing around the Cape instead will probably put a multiple on to that number before this is all over. There are construction projects in that corner of the globe worth far less that kill far more than just a few people but that hasn't really slowed them down much has it?
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#943Earlier quoted context omitted.
We're kind of like physicists: https://xkcd.com/793/
“Now consider a spherical ship…”
I don't like the spherical cow meme because it misses the point. The assumption isn't that the cow is a sphere but rather that all cows have 4 legs, all cows give milk, there are lots of cows, etc. From a cursory glance these may look completely reasonable, until they aren't. Some cows injured their legs and can't walk. There are male "cows" that don't give milk. Sometimes there is only one cow. Meanwhile the spherical cow meme implies that there was never any truth to it in the first place.
The complexity of life throws a wrench into everything.
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#944If fire a bomb from one side of ship, Does the wave can push out ship stuck ?
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#945Fun facts: 1. The owner is Japanese 2. The operator is Taiwanese 3. The flag is Panamanian 4. The cargo is Chinese 5. The insurer is British 6. The crew is Indian 7. The canal is Egyptian and was built with forced labor by the French 8. The dredgers/salvage op managers are Dutch
> The flag is Panamanian That's an interesting way to say tax evasion.
At least in the northeast, it's common in the US OTR trucking industry to register the trailers in Maine. Registration fees in Maine are significantly less than in neighboring states. You'll also see a lot of recreational trailers (boats, RVs) registered in Maine.
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#946I don't think people are giving enough credit to how stuck the ship is. Look at some of the photos of the front of it. Look at how far out of the water it is sitting. The ship might look like that if it were totally empty, but not when it is full of containers like this. Some people saying: just drag it off of the sand. Okay! And what happens when that causes you to rip a hole into the hull of the ship? Now it's real…
Seems like the risk assessment wasn't good if hitting the bank results in this kind of outcome.
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#947I wonder how expensive and complicated it would be to let it there and dig another lane to bypass it.
If you can dig a whole lane why not dig the current one out?
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#948Reading through the comments where people come up with solutions, really shows to me that software engineering education is lacking in terms of teaching general engineering principles. Some of these proposals can be seen as being completely off reality by some basic order of magnitude estimations. Which is something that should be front and center of every engineering education.
> really shows to me that software engineering education is lacking in terms of teaching general engineering principles
Correct me if I’m wrong but Hacker News isn’t comprised solely of software engineers.
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#949Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hah that would be incredible. Build something so long that a small child in China steps on it and WHOOSH out goes the ship thousands and thousands of miles away! We'll use the peak of Mt. Everest as the fulcrum!
With levers you trade force for time. How long would a lever like that take to complete its arc?
Assume the lever is steel.
The speed of sound in steel is approx. 10,000 ft/s.
The distance from Suez to Beijing is approx. 25,000,000 feet.
The time for a force to be applied in Beijing and a reaction in Suez would be ~2,500 seconds - or 1.7 days.
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#950Reading through the comments where people come up with solutions, really shows to me that software engineering education is lacking in terms of teaching general engineering principles. Some of these proposals can be seen as being completely off reality by some basic order of magnitude estimations. Which is something that should be front and center of every engineering education.
> really shows to me that software engineering education is lacking in terms of teaching general engineering principles Correct me if I’m wrong but Hacker News isn’t comprised solely of software engineers.
You are obviously correct (I'm not one myself), but I would suspect that we have a disproportionately high number of them compared to other type of engineers.