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Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by playerm1 »

suzzer99 wrote: post #498
nabla9 wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lloyd's List estimated that every day Suez is closed costs US$9 billion ($400 million per hour). If it could be done technically and open up the canal, it would be cheaper for insurance companies to buy the ship, it's cargo, buy all nearby property and then blow the whole ship up.

It makes you wonder if anyone has an old aircraft carrier they'd be willing to use as a battering ram. Try to hit it towards the bow to dislodge it.

Newport News Shipbuilding had the old Enterprise CVN 65. May be slightly contaminated.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by bcrosby95 »

adflux wrote: post #155
blhack wrote: post #39

I don't think people are giving enough credit to how stuck the ship is. Look at some of the photos of the front of it. Look at how far out of the water it is sitting. The ship might look like that if it were totally empty, but not when it is full of containers like this. Some people saying: just drag it off of the sand. Okay! And what happens when that causes you to rip a hole into the hull of the ship? Now it's real…

Love the armchair engineers who think they're gonna solve this better than billion dollar companies

I assume you're The Person that Googles the answer to every discussion you have with your friends rather than having a little fun with it.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by m4rtink »

terramex wrote: post #381
blhack wrote: post #39

I don't think people are giving enough credit to how stuck the ship is. Look at some of the photos of the front of it. Look at how far out of the water it is sitting. The ship might look like that if it were totally empty, but not when it is full of containers like this. Some people saying: just drag it off of the sand. Okay! And what happens when that causes you to rip a hole into the hull of the ship? Now it's real…

As this thread turned into 'post your crazy idea and get told why it would not work' here is my take: use powerful water pumps and direct streams of water to flush out the sand in spots where the ship rests on it and also around the bow. Something like that, but redirected under the ship: https://youtu.be/BIoBGZLc7wM?t=184

That's actually even a technique that has been used in these places in the past - Egypt used it when attacking Israeli fortifications on one of the banks during one of the conflicts in the past, just washed them away so they could cross with less resistance.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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blhack wrote: post #39

I don't think people are giving enough credit to how stuck the ship is. Look at some of the photos of the front of it. Look at how far out of the water it is sitting. The ship might look like that if it were totally empty, but not when it is full of containers like this. Some people saying: just drag it off of the sand. Okay! And what happens when that causes you to rip a hole into the hull of the ship? Now it's real…

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Post by asmithmd1 »

rapnie wrote: post #319
01100011 wrote: post #169

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Could you build a temporary barrier around the ship and the section of the canal, bring in some massive pumps, and temporarily raise the water level around the ship? Edit: Something like this https://www.hydrologicalsolutions.com/aqua-barrier-cofferdam...

In the middle parts of the ship it is probably not grounded, so you might have ropes below the hull with large inflatable balloons on both sides below water level, to give the ship extra lift. Then on a high tide, with oil & water removed, maybe some dredging on the sides where it needs to rotate to, and.. go!

Lets say they cabled a Goodyear blimp to each side of the ship One Goodyear blimp is about 5,000 m^3 and a meter^3 of seawater is about a ton, so that gives us 10,000 tones of lifting force!.

The ship weighs 220,000 so it will be riding about 4.5% higher in the water. The main channel is very narrow. Its bow is buried about 20m deep and 100m into the shallow bottom outside of the channel. They are not going to lift it out.

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Post by danielheath »

withinboredom wrote: post #673
rtkwe wrote: post #632

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For moving containers off the best bet would probably be heavy lift choppers, the ship is large enough you could have several working on it at once and then just drop them off nearby to be loaded onto barges or something. A huge undertaking but it any weight taken off the Evergreen is less digging they have to do and the time is so expensive. Also it's less middle of nowhere there's a pretty large airbase nearby it l…

Have you ever tried to stack containers before? Or had to airlift something via tow on a helicopter? You can do the latter (I watched it happen in the military), but the former isn’t happening from a helicopter, not into a floating barge anyway.

There's no shortage of nearby desert not being used for anything else.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by decker »

Aperocky wrote: post #525
eternalban wrote: post #457

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Egypt is bleeding money right now. It earned roughly USD 15,360,000.00/day from Suez passage fees in 2020. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Canal_Authority#Revenues

Wow, costs $300K to transit through the canal per ship by fee alone? That is capital intensive. It's amazing that more ships are not simply sailing around Africa.

Given that so many ships that are run by people who can afford $300k per trip, which could pay the annual salary for a team of analysts, it's amazing you're making this comment.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by throwawaybutwhy »

Fun facts:

1. The owner is Japanese

2. The operator is Taiwanese

3. The flag is Panamanian

4. The cargo is Chinese

5. The insurer is British

6. The crew is Indian

7. The canal is Egyptian and was built with forced labor by the French

8. The dredgers/salvage op managers are Dutch

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by elihu »

dexterdog wrote: post #639
elihu wrote: post #589

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Tell him Egypt is planning to use a hundred Ford F150s to drag the boat, and see how quick he can get a comparable number of Cybertrucks and/or model Ss and 3s to show up. (Realistically, Egypt would probably use bulldozers if they actually wanted to go that route.)

If we're going to pick vaporware for the job why not use the Tesla semi?

I guess it depends how many prototypes of either vehicle exist, and how long it would take to get them to Egypt. Rounding up a hundred of something that's already in production like the S or the 3 would be easier. (They'd have to add trailer hitches or something, though.)
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