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Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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> Why would EU governments use cookie banners They generally don't, because you don't need banners to store cookies that you need to store to have a working site . In other words, if you see cookie banner, somebody is asking to store/track stuff about you that's not really needed . Cookie banners were invented by the market as a loophole to continue dark patterns and bad practices. EU is catching flak because its ext…

you CAN use analytics! Just need to use first party analytics... it is not so hard to set up, there are many opensource self-hosted options. I hate how everyone and their mother ships all my data to google and others just because they can.

The regulation is only concerned with cookies that are not required to provide the service. It makes no differentiation between first party and third party - if you use cookies for anything optional (like analytics) you need consent. So you can have third party non-cookie analytics for example without a banner.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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AI seems like the real deal. I have never seen a technology so quickly and aggressively adopted in corporate america -- every ceo is horny to adopt ai, thinking it will cut costs (read that to mean: "replace you"). They did not have the same fervor for SaaS or cloud, if you recall. You needed sales people for that tech and they were compensated well bc its hard closing a multi year, potentially multi million dollar d…

Wait for the bubble to burst, shouldn't be long now. Bureaucrats are like C-suites, they're very susceptible to hype and trends.

I have been waiting for a bubble to burst since the dow hit 20,000.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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I'm not understanding, as an European who's been part of multiple startups how's that supposed to boost growth. There's literally 0 startups I've been part of where data protection laws or even the infamous cookie banners have been anywhere near relevant (unless your business was literally profiling). In fact the actors that most opposed those laws have always been non Europeans. Sure, there is an attached cost in ha…

Sure but the laws are probably relevant for the startups you _haven’t_ been a part of. The ones that never got started. It’s funny you mention a lack of entrepreneurial spirit but then dismiss something that’s clearly a factor (not saying it’s the main factor but obviously it has some effect). I have some side projects that I don’t really care about making money from but some people do use and it’s easier for me to j…

Of course it's easier to do a bad job of something or to give up and not do it. That has no bearing on whether or not doing it the right way is actually onerous.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Nations don’t outsource critical national security industries even though economists might say that’s more efficient. The question is whether they should outsource critical tech infrastructure to huge quasi-monopolistic US firms that can turn it off or abuse European data at will. I don’t have the answer to that question, but I have to imagine it’s a worthwhile debate. The data we have cuts both ways: China applied p…

>China applied protectionist policies to its own Internet companies, and it’s hard to argue that this has been economically devastating for them. China has 1.4 billion people in one country while the combined population of Europe is around half of that, so that's one difference. But, yes, both US and Chinese technology companies would likely be better off than they are now without China's protectionism and authoritar…

Define "better off". Companies like Meta and Google are enormous behemoths that make their money through advertising. One advantage of their size is that they have lower costs, but a greater advantage is that they have much larger market power: they can purchase competitors and demand higher rents for advertising space. Is society genuinely better off from this kind of concentrated market advantage? One might argue that there are different kinds of 'efficiency' at play here, and not all of them are in society's interest.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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The data [0] begs to differ: in richer countries workers and fewer hours. The gap not shown here is working hours per capita (instead of worker), but I couldn’t find that data quickly. Also, even if your claim were true, I wonder if joining the rate race of working harder is worth it. [0] https://ourworldindata.org/rich-poor-working-hours

Joining the rat race isn't worth it, in the near-term, which is why the threat is existential. Europe has been sleeping on it's laurels for 30 years now, and the signs are clear; borderline stagnating economies, low working hours, generous benefits, and most importantly still relying on the exact same industries as 30 years ago . Europe totally missed out on the tech boom, and is now also missing out on the AI boom.…

> Look at the bottom

Also look at the top ;)

> Russsia invading Ukraine, and the US providing the majority of the weapons and cash

That's beyond false, US provided little non-military help, the money mostly stayed in US and went to US contractors.

I don't need to tell you that those figures are also insanely inflated by crazy costs.

Zelenski himself has stated that he proposed multiple times to, e.g., send its navy to US ports to take the weapons so US taxpayers wouldn't have to bear the costs, but instead tens of billions went into that expense. Why? Because US support to Ukraine is a welfare machine for US contractors.

In total EU has provided around 3 times more between military and non-military.

https://www.kielinstitut.de/publications/ukraine-support-tra...

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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I think your data agrees with OP, you're just misunderstanding it. Yes, richer countries work few hours and richer countries also see modest GDP growth. Cambodia's GDP growth is over +5% YoY, whereas Switzerland (and the rest of Europe) has more modest GDP growth. There is some "Work smart, not hard." facet to this, which requires an educated population. The other fascet is developing countries exist in climates heav…

> richer countries also see modest GDP growth. This is a natural consequence of being an industrially advanced country though. A lot of GDP growth can come from establishing basic services like a functioning healthcare system, insurance apparatus and financial system. Of course, we can't building out infrastructure like roads, power, etc. Especially construction can lead to substantial GDP growth, but once you have a…

> This is a natural consequence of being an industrially advanced country though.

E.g. emerging markets tend to outperform advanced ones, because they have more room to grow.

If you think the US stock market has done well in the last few decades, wait till you see India or Peru.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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HAHAHAHA good joke. Oh wait. You're serious. Oh god please no.

We're already at the point where lawyers are submitting AI-generated videos as court evidence, so...

We really should be at the point where those are former lawyers.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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You can do this trivially in modern browsers: private browsing. I have one "normal" browser window for "persistent cookie" use (like gmail, youtube, etc) and another "private" window for everything else. Cookies are lost anytime a tab closes.

> You can do this trivially in modern browsers: private browsing. The one that Google keeps tracking? https://www.tomsguide.com/news/going-incognito-in-chrome-doe... Edit: not just Google. Incognito mode does not prevent websites from tracking you, period. --- start quote --- Once these new disclaimers make their way to stable builds of Chrome, you’ll see a message that looks like this when going incognito: “Others w…

I don't use browsers made by ad companies, because I fully expect that browser to stay out of the way of their revenue stream. There are many browsers out there that care about privacy.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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> You can do this trivially in modern browsers: private browsing. The one that Google keeps tracking? https://www.tomsguide.com/news/going-incognito-in-chrome-doe... Edit: not just Google. Incognito mode does not prevent websites from tracking you, period. --- start quote --- Once these new disclaimers make their way to stable builds of Chrome, you’ll see a message that looks like this when going incognito: “Others w…

I don't use browsers made by ad companies, because I fully expect that browser to stay out of the way of their revenue stream. There are many browsers out there that care about privacy.

Doesn't matter. Companies will keep tracking you in incognito mode.
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