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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by grumple » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 5:18 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #865

grumple wrote: post #571

The IPC standard says for famine to be declared: > at least two in every 10,000 people die each day from starvation, or from malnutrition and disease. Gaza population is 2 million * 2/10000 = 400 people dying per day in order for it to be a famine. > After more than 700 days of war, 455 Palestinians have died of malnutrition or starvation, including 151 children, the health ministry in Gaza reported on October 1. One…

> Gaza population is 2 million In August, the IPC found about 514,000 Gazans are Phase 5 (famine / humanitarian catastrophe) [1][2]. It projected by September that was around 641,000. So the threshold you're looking for is a crude death rate (CDR) between 100 and 120 per day. CRD "needs to be directly attributable to outright starvation or to the interaction of food consumption deficits and disease" and does not incl…

The mortality exceeding the rate I mentioned is a prerequisite for declaring stage 5. It has not been met. You don’t declare stage 5 until it has according to their own standards.

The rate of death in Gaza from those causes is nowhere near that CDR. The total death rate from all causes is substantially below that number (by a factor of 4).

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by imtringued » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 5:23 PM UTC

BrenBarn wrote: post #709

bawolff wrote: post #685

Earlier quoted context omitted.

International law forbids the occupying power to give voting rights to occupied regions. Its also a bit unclear what you mean by "unambiguously under Israeli control" since Palestinians in occupied palestinian territories aren't unambigiously under Israeli control, they had little control over the inside of Gaza until recently, and have some power in the west bank that is shared with the PA. Neither is "unambiguous c…

International law forbids a lot of things Israel already does. If it respected international law it would withdraw to its internationally recognized borders.

The point of making voting from occupied territories illegal is that this discourages settlers from the occupying nation to move into the occupied territories before the conflict is over. Otherwise the occupying power could send settlers into another country and pretend that it is merely defending its own citizens, when in reality it is still engaged in offensive war.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by yubblegum » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 5:43 PM UTC

dlahoda wrote: post #857

lossolo wrote: post #851

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This, for Israel it was a perfect pretext. Netanyahu financed Hamas through Qatar for years because he knew that Hamas is a destructive force for Palestinians and their struggle for nationhood. It was a cold, cynical decision. He exploited the anger and emotions of the people after October 7th to justify what he is doing now.

any links for research proving you state?

Swiss Policy Research has excellent documentation on the promotion of Hamas in Gaza by Israel:

https://swprs.org/2023/10/20/israel-palestine-overview/

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by neoromantique » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 5:44 PM UTC

regularization wrote: post #889

kangaroozach wrote: post #757

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> not a single Jew has been allowed to live in Gaza for 20 years, per Hamas Israeli law in the past 20 years says Israelis can not live in Gaza. Something you neglected to mention.

Because it took releasing thousands of terrorists to return one jew from Gaza. If he were to survive long enough for something to be released that is.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by neoromantique » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 5:45 PM UTC

nsoonhui wrote: post #694

The first question that should be asked is this: if there is indeed so much suffering in Gaza, why is no one pressuring Hamas to end the war by accepting Donald Trump’s peace plan? The war could have been over by now if Hamas had surrendered, yet this point is rarely mentioned. Why is that? Instead, many—including major Western media outlets—repeat Hamas’ narrative: that Israel is responsible for the killing (while H…

Hamas is dire, hencw the increased media attention lately, hopefully it'll all end soon, regular people have suffered enough

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by yubblegum » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 5:51 PM UTC

lossolo wrote: post #851

DrScientist wrote: post #838

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Sadly I think you are mistaken to paint it as an irrational Israel lashing out - that's too generous. I think it's quite the opposite - there has been a very clear, cold, calculated strategy - which is to use the conflict as an cover for doing what some in the government have always wanted to do ( and been quite open about it ) - which is to create a greater Israel - drive out all Palestinians from the river to the s…

This, for Israel it was a perfect pretext. Netanyahu financed Hamas through Qatar for years because he knew that Hamas is a destructive force for Palestinians and their struggle for nationhood. It was a cold, cynical decision. He exploited the anger and emotions of the people after October 7th to justify what he is doing now.

I've come around to the possibility that there is a lot more here under the surface than what we general public/plebs are aware of. Hamas is Muslim Brotherhood. MB itself is the poster child of a movement hijacked by Western spook agencies.

They want a heroic victory for MB because the West knows there are going to be numerous billions of Muslims and they can't kill them all so the best thing is to 'control' the religion as they own and run MB.

October 7 completely undermined the non-MB resistance. Hamas jumped the gun, Israel 'stood down', and the axis of resistance was caught like deers in a headlight. They have been 'reacting' ever since and have been losing every step of the way.

Now the question is: Is Qatar/MB upset about all this? ...

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by Gud » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 6:03 PM UTC

insane_dreamer wrote: post #886

just-the-wrk wrote: post #375

I think the most amazing part of the comments is how much the sentiment has changed over the last 2 years. Is anybody else noticing this?

What shocks me is that there are still people trying to whitewash and/or defend the genocide.

They are stuck in the bubble. They too will come out.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by 7402 » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 6:23 PM UTC

ciconia wrote: post #762

justin66 wrote: post #593

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest question from someone whose knowledge of Israel's government isn't deep: does "Zionist parties" mean anything other than the parties which are not Arab parties? (are members of the Arab parties free to advocate against Zionism and Israel's status as a Jewish state?)

All parties except for the Arabs and ultra religious are Zionist. The ultra religious have their own relationship with Zionism, but are members of the government. While Arab MKs do enjoy freedom of speech, they are ostracized and delegitimized by the majority of Jewish MKs.

> they are ostracized and delegitimized by the majority of Jewish MKs

Not exactly.

A conservative Arab party was part of the ruling government coalition in 2021. They joined with a wide spectrum of political parties seeking to defeat the Likud Prime Minister Netanyahu.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 6:23 PM UTC

grumple wrote: post #931

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #865

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Gaza population is 2 million In August, the IPC found about 514,000 Gazans are Phase 5 (famine / humanitarian catastrophe) [1][2]. It projected by September that was around 641,000. So the threshold you're looking for is a crude death rate (CDR) between 100 and 120 per day. CRD "needs to be directly attributable to outright starvation or to the interaction of food consumption deficits and disease" and does not incl…

The mortality exceeding the rate I mentioned is a prerequisite for declaring stage 5. It has not been met. You don’t declare stage 5 until it has according to their own standards. The rate of death in Gaza from those causes is nowhere near that CDR. The total death rate from all causes is substantially below that number (by a factor of 4).

> The mortality exceeding the rate I mentioned is a prerequisite for declaring stage 5

Source?

> The total death rate from all causes is substantially below that number (by a factor of 4)

You're still making the mistake of taking statistics from across Gaza and pretending that's relevant. Based on your method, there has never been a crime wave anywhere in the world because the global crime rate tends to be somewhat stable across time and countries.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by tboyd47 » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 6:32 PM UTC

kergonath wrote: post #321

tboyd47 wrote: post #237

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Would it be acceptable even with a justification?

No, but the callousness of an arbitrary decision without even spending 10 seconds to make up a pretend reason is a pure display of power. They do what they want and they don’t care one bit about even looking like the good guys.

Every con has an expiration date.