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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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If you want to blow up personal relationships over politics because you think it will help, be my guest. People do it routinely. If it is "good" is an open question.

Why would it ruin a relationship to give your opinion or to ask for an explanation from them?

Because you stated you "hate Republican voters". If you hate Republicans (as a method of "holding them responsible"), it doesn't really make sense to remain friends.

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What is the better path forward? Republican voters led by their representative Trump were unhappy about certain policies and events at Ivy league institutions. Voters have the right to feel this way and elect representatives to carry out their views even if this is not how you feel as a feature of democracy. Proxies of the representatives of the voters reached out to a few institutions requesting changes to be made o…

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I really think you should take a step back and think about where this sort of ideology will take us in the long run. If you want to send the supporters of the other party to hell because they have differences of opinion than you, this is a step towards enabling horrible things to be done to people at scale.

I don't want a dictatorship. I probably want largely the same things as you. To be safe in and outside of my home. Affordable and quality food healthcare and education. The rule of law.

Fundamentally all people have most things in common with each other but our differences can seem magnified and exaggerated especially with things like social media and the 24 hour news hype cycle.

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That’s why there is a secret ballot. There cant be retribution unless you advertise your vote. Either way, at the point you’re talking of socially ostracizing a majority of the US population since Trump won the popular vote too.

> Either way, at the point you’re talking of socially ostracizing a majority of the US population since Trump won the popular vote too. 75~ million vs 300 million. Don't confuse population with voters. >That’s why there is a secret ballot. There cant be retribution unless you advertise your vote. By the government and this shouldn't change. However people who freely broadcast who they support are open to attack by ot…

Registered voters was 174m, voter eligible population is estimated at 244m. The number who actually voted in 2024 was 154m. So he did win the popular vote. The total population doesn’t count when checking for popular vote winnings.

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> They should just end their DEI programs and comply with federal law, it's literally that simple. Columbia tried to comply with their made up "federal law" requirements to try to get their funding restored and instead got more cut, so...

If they had complied with federal law they would have had their funding restored, it was because they acted illegally so explicitly that it was an issue.

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Most people don't think hard or carefully about politics, and their political views are a very tiny fraction of what they give to the world (this is true even for most people who do think hard and carefully about politics, by the way). Their vote is never pivotal, and their views do not shape any major institutions.

>Most people don't think hard or carefully about politics If they vote they should > Their vote is never pivotal.. Votes are pivotal as a sum. This is like not recycling because as an individual action it has no effect. >and their political views are a very tiny fraction of what they give to the world So?

Do you hate anyone who doesn't recycle? If so, I think you should set a higher bar for the sins necessary to earn your hatred.

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You cannot jump over immigration requirements "just because you're powerful", and the vast majority of them are not US citizens.

They could easily get an E2 entrepreneur visa, and the necessary cash is as little as $300k, most of which can be withdrawn later, so it's effectively a free citizenship as long as you have cash.

E2 visa is not available to everyone. Notably Indian and Chinese citizens are not eligible. And that is a large chunk of international students.

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I remember when you claimed the APA didn't apply to this. At least now you don't bother to defend based on legality and are cool with forcing your 'totally not corrupt' single totalitarian viewpoint on the country in order to counter... corrupt totalitarianism. Get rid of Harvard and the person you mentioned would just... go somewhere else. You aren't actually advocated FOR anything, just saying 'there are bad people…

The APA doesn’t apply to this—issuing visas as a discretionary function of the executive, and thus unreviewable under section 701(a)(2). Where am I being inconsistent?

Have any of the challenges to the administration prevailed on APA grounds in an appellate court?

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Nobody said “evil.” But do you think it’s a good thing for ordinary americans to have the children of chaebols owners rubbing shoulders with the children of Fortune 500s CEOs?

…Yes? This is the foundational concept underlying free speech and liberal education. In a liberal society ideas live and die by their merits and we all benefit by the best ideas floating to the top.

I don’t think there’s anything “liberal” about facilitating the a borderless global elite. People can say whatever they want; Americans don’t need to issue everyone visas to come say things in person. The internet exists.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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You are nitpicking. It is an elite institution that still attracts elite class people or else it wouldn't be worth so much to so many groups. There are hundreds of universities in the US, many of which have no kind recognition of the kind Harvard has.

One could also call it a bubble. Last as long as it lasts, which is as long as the stakeholders believe in it. I think your argument doesn't hold. Just because people still believe something to be the case, doesn't mean it really is the case. It being "worth so much to so many groups" just means they believe in it being worth as much. A well formed argument would come up with examples of the brightest hailing from Ha…

Only if you look at one aspect of the school: A bubble wouldn't produce a cadre of skilled people that move multiple fields forward. The elite nature of the institution comes from people maintaining that elite status through accomplishment. You don't need a "belief" when the school continually produces many examples of excellence. Thats just hard evidence.
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