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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by NoImmatureAdHom »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #863
NoImmatureAdHom wrote: post #861

I worked there for years, still spend a lot of time there, and therefore know a lot of people who either are or were there. Many people associated with the University are pretty happy about it getting smacked down. Shameless, wrong, and overtly illegal discrimination on the basis of race, sex, and creed, suppression of free speech, even the compelling of speech have all been de rigeur for Harvard for the past decade.…

They are not at all comparable. Previous admins didn't withhold billions in funding that was already granted, threaten 25% of its student body with expulsion, and try to take away its tax status.

What isn't comparable? I agree what's going on is unprecedented in living memory.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by Braxton1980 »

Boogie_Man wrote: post #836
Braxton1980 wrote: post #765

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If there are reprisals for voting That's what's happening now.. >"hold responsible" you mean "be mad at them" You make it sound simplistic. I mean calling them out, demanding an explanation. You have friends who support this then let them know you think they are wrong. All these horrific regimes throughout history, how did it happen? The majority of people agreed with it or was a vocal minority left alone because mo…

If you want to blow up personal relationships over politics because you think it will help, be my guest. People do it routinely. If it is "good" is an open question.

Why would it ruin a relationship to give your opinion or to ask for an explanation from them?

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by nec4b »

spacemadness wrote: post #688
neumann wrote: post #546

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They (the current administration) doesn't want to be competitive. They want to be in full control and willing to destroy any institution, organization or person that opposes them, internal or external.

Can we say "fascism" out loud yet or are moderates still pretending everything is fine?

Do you know the story of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf"?

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by Braxton1980 »

woopwoop wrote: post #180
Braxton1980 wrote: post #66

I get flak for hating Republican voters with the general feeling of most people being that voters are not responsible for the officials THEY elected to represent them. I still haven't found a valid argument for why a voter isn't held responsible for the actions of representatives. Especially if the actions would be likely to occur.

Most people don't think hard or carefully about politics, and their political views are a very tiny fraction of what they give to the world (this is true even for most people who do think hard and carefully about politics, by the way). Their vote is never pivotal, and their views do not shape any major institutions.

>Most people don't think hard or carefully about politics

If they vote they should

> Their vote is never pivotal..

Votes are pivotal as a sum. This is like not recycling because as an individual action it has no effect.

>and their political views are a very tiny fraction of what they give to the world

So?

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Post by spacemadness »

nec4b wrote: post #883
spacemadness wrote: post #688

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we say "fascism" out loud yet or are moderates still pretending everything is fine?

Do you know the story of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf"?

Do you know how condescending and useless that statement is?

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Post by nashashmi »

littlestymaar wrote: post #879
nashashmi wrote: post #432

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I am not sure why you think overseas policy going against Israel’s wishes directly means Israel doesn’t have influence in the United States. I find it awkward you think that Israel is not giving special treatment to the US if the US does not do something in favor of Israel in foreign affairs. Awkward. More awkward is that you think the US is not protecting Israel if it has a ceasefire with Houthis.

There's nothing “awkward”, and this phrasing doesn't really suggest that you are willing to discuss the topic in good faith.

Then I guess you think it is normal. Thee must be an expert more than me.

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Post by Braxton1980 »

orochimaaru wrote: post #840
Braxton1980 wrote: post #771

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Retribution from the government, I meant socially.

That’s why there is a secret ballot. There cant be retribution unless you advertise your vote. Either way, at the point you’re talking of socially ostracizing a majority of the US population since Trump won the popular vote too.

> Either way, at the point you’re talking of socially ostracizing a majority of the US population since Trump won the popular vote too.

75~ million vs 300 million. Don't confuse population with voters.

>That’s why there is a secret ballot. There cant be retribution unless you advertise your vote.

By the government and this shouldn't change. However people who freely broadcast who they support are open to attack by others

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Post by nashashmi »

mschuster91 wrote: post #818
nashashmi wrote: post #777

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> Jewish students got beaten up, spat upon and verbally abused just for being Jewish after Oct 7th Actually Palestinians have gotten beaten up spat on and verbally abused. This is documented multiple times on YouTube. There has even been false flag attacks by Israeli supporters dressing up as Palestinian supporters and then falsifying abuses. There has been attempts to lure pro Palestinians to attack Jews as well. OT…

> Protesting against a country does not make a protester a threat. Indeed but protesting a country happens at an embassy or on some public square usually used for rallies. Let's draw a comparison: I don't like Trump but I don't go and beat up some random on the street for wearing an American flag, I go and protest in front of the local embassy (which, for the record, I actually did during his first term when Heather…

Protesting a war can happen anywhere, not just an embassy. And universities are ground zero for student protests.

You conflated violent actions with protest.

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Post by insane_dreamer »

NoImmatureAdHom wrote: post #881
insane_dreamer wrote: post #863

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They are not at all comparable. Previous admins didn't withhold billions in funding that was already granted, threaten 25% of its student body with expulsion, and try to take away its tax status.

What isn't comparable? I agree what's going on is unprecedented in living memory.

> What isn't comparable?

So-called pressure from the Biden admin on universities to implement DEI type policies vs blackmail-level coercion from the Trump admin to get rid of them and lean the other way.

Also, the notion that DEI policies came about through Biden admin is patently false. Institutions and companies started implementing these years ago in response to public attitudes, and this really took off after the Floyd murder which was during Trump 1.0 admin.

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