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Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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Post by cruffle_duffle »

aCoreyJ wrote: post #749
cruffle_duffle wrote: post #697

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I will never, ever forgive or forget the absolute amount of censorship and tolerance for punishing “wrongthink” during the lockdown years. Ever. It completely shattered my faith in the government and “Science”. God forbid anybody show any intellectual curiosity if it went against the doomer dogma. And the worst part is the people with the “wrong think” were right. Covid didn’t have a “4% kill rate”. It almost certain…

I don't think saying any of that resulted in being banned because I saw it constantly. Also you are still wrong about most of that. The vaccine is certainly safe and effective, masks definitely help, lockdowns definitely helped the overrun hospitals. Yes there were adverse effects in some of these policies unfortunately.

Doesn’t even matter if I’m right or wrong about it working. There was no assessment to if the costs outweighed the benefits. Ever. Because even if you are right does not make it okay to do any of what was done.

There were plenty of things besides a myopic fixation on one single problem to the exclusion of literally everything else.

It takes an extreme amount of privilege to look back and say we should have done any of that.

… it was unethical, immoral, authoritarian and plain evil. I don’t care if any of it “worked” because even if it did the costs vastly outweigh any of the “working” bit. The fact it requires a lot of contortion to show any effect at all should give a reasonable person a concerned pause. Any idiot off the street should be able to clearly see the effects of masks and lockdowns without reading a bunch of statistics first. This is clearly not the case at all….

And again, doesn’t matter if “it worked” because “it worked” only holds true in the most myopic, sheltered, privileged world view possible. For any view that sees the world through a lens besides Covid, what we did was clearly insane.

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Post by [deleted] »

dimitrios1 wrote: post #169
ryandrake wrote: post #100

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> They were already doing censorship, just for different things - there was never a free for all because that eventually ends up like 4chan which is not advertiser-friendly. If you look at every attempt to create "The Uncensored Free Speech Version Of [ANY_SERVICE]," they all, inevitably turned into a 4chan-like trashfire. You've got to have some kind of moderation.

This is where I really feel my age. Every message board and chatroom (bbs, forums, irc, icq, aol, et all) on the young internet was virtually uncensored and a 100% free for all, yet we all mostly got by. You went to the places you knew to go to. The communities mostly self moderated by kicks/bans. It worked really well. So whats changed? Well, I have my thoughts, but one thing is for sure, as soon as the platform its…

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Post by CyberDildonics »

swader999 wrote: post #685
mistermann wrote: post #443

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Flat earther, conspiracy theory, good/bad faith, etc...simple memes like this are very effective in controlling both dumb and normatively "smart" people with simple rhetoric.

It's an ad hominem attack a lot of times. Calling RFK an anti vaxxer for example. He's much different than a person that flat out refuses all vaccines. But it's very effective to call him that and shut off all engagement with any aspects of his critique.

"no vaccine that is safe and effective" sounds pretty anti-vax and impossible to justify with real data.

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/11/scicheck-rfk-jr-incorrectl...

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4626145-rfk-jr-no-vacc...

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Post by devoutsalsa »

theptip wrote: post #786
chrisco255 wrote: post #240

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Unrealized gains taxes is an extractive and totalitarian tax. Someone is always risking 100% loss until they realize those gains. It's an affront to entrepreneurial risk-taking and it's capricious. It would be just as ridiculous to allow someone to write-off unrealized losses.

The point is that none of these guys are risking 100% of anything. Meta stock is liquid. You can sell it or hedge. You might slip 10% but it’s vanishingly unlikely to lose 100%. The well-known tax dodge is to avoid realizing gains by borrowing against your stock. Say you pledge $1b as collateral on a loan. If interest rates are lower than your stock appreciation, the loan is free. So you don’t ever need to realize th…

Borrowing against your assets might make mathematical sense, but I think it’s kind of stupid to burden yourself with that kind of debt. The tax you pay is your peace of mind and the interest in the loan. Paying taxes on the sale of your investments is simpler, and if you’re living off your assets, you can afford it.

You’re also introducing the risk of being liquidated if there’s a big drawdown in the asset. If you borrow against your stock and then there’s a 50% drawdown, you could easily find yourself worse off than if you had just sold the stock.

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Post by talldatethrow »

pharrington wrote: post #627
talldatethrow wrote: post #190

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Musk unbanned literal Nazis and people who posted CSAM, while also making "cisgender" an autoflagged word on Twitter.

I'm pretty into right wing blogs and forums. I have yet to see even a glimpse of a Nazi and even anyone that goes beyond "why is half of Bidens Whitehouse Jewish? Isn't that weird? Why do so many politicians have to take a photo in Israel?" That's as 'Nazi' as it gets.

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Post by wsve »

00_hum wrote: post #868
andy_ppp wrote: post #109

I wonder if this is coming up just before the election because of the Harris campaign’s suggested policy of capital gains tax on unrealised gains for people who have over $100m in assets? I think this is a great idea personally given what these people are doing to avoid paying tax including taking out loans against their own share portfolios. Worth thinking about what people are willing to do to not pay billions of d…

if we tax the super rich then the list of extremely powerful people will be one item long: politicians. i think its telling that they are going after rich conservative people rather than break up blackrock et al.

That sounds like a good thing to me. I would prefer the people who hold power in our society be the ones democratically elected, not the ones who lucked into a leviathan amount of money and can now buy Twitter for fun.

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Post by lamp_book »

anvuong wrote: post #719
andy_ppp wrote: post #109

I wonder if this is coming up just before the election because of the Harris campaign’s suggested policy of capital gains tax on unrealised gains for people who have over $100m in assets? I think this is a great idea personally given what these people are doing to avoid paying tax including taking out loans against their own share portfolios. Worth thinking about what people are willing to do to not pay billions of d…

Tax on unrealized gain is total BS. It's BS right in the name. Why don't they just say collateral assets are taxable, so the loan pegged on these assets will get taxed. The way they are going with is pure stupidity.

I am with you on that. I think they don’t because this trick is classically used by powerful old money families to generate tax free income from dynasty trusts.

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Post by dang »

immibis wrote: post #454
llm_trw wrote: post #444

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>HN is awesome because of the rules and moderation (including bans); It was awesome. Then it jumped the shark when people realized they could flag posts they don't like with no repercussions.

There was some post about Israel the other day (might have been Google's relationship to Israel or something) where every comment about the war starting last year was highly visible, while every comment about what happened prior to last year was dead.

I'd be careful about generalizing from one case, or even from all the cases you've seen, because people (all of us) tend to notice and put much greater weight on the posts we dislike. (Basically the same mechanism by which painful memories tend to be deeper than pleasurable ones.)

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

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