Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

nytimes.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

931–940 of 1001 posts

Re: New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

#931

Post by apnew »

alex_lav wrote: post #923
apnew wrote: post #922

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But I am not taking a position that govt bans the other side's fav style, am I now?

Should legislation include science and fact-less personal preference?

Where did I say that? I’m saying there is no need for restricting gas range installations via legislation.

If the goal is to fight health risks there’s way to mitigate those risks scientifically in other ways that allows people to keep their preferences. Just saying “science” in a sentence doesn’t make your point scientifically valid, we don’t need to turn science into religion.

Re: New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

#932

Post by apnew »

AustinDev wrote: post #924
apnew wrote: post #521

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also _rent_. I hate food cooked on electric stoves, so when I was looking to rent, anything that dint have gas stove was automatic non-starter for me. This whole argument that “you oppose a forced choice so you must hate poor people” is just a straw-man. Just because you prefer things one way doesn’t mean govt has a business telling me how I should cook my food.

Have you ever used induction? Electric induction is the best cooktop I've ever owned, and I was a staunch only gas person beforehand. Plus I can boil water on it faster than is possible in any gas stove @ 5kW (on the 'power' element). It can do a gallon of water in ~ 4 minutes from room temperature or a liter in about a minute it's pretty awesome.

I have; while your/everyone’s point in this thread is valid there are some food items that just cant be made same way on electric cooktops.

eg : https://www.alamy.com/preparingindian-rotifulkachapati-puffe...

I have lived with induction cooktop (in Europe) for 3 yrs and resistive cooktops (in US) for ~3yrs as well.

Re: New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

#933

Post by dragonwriter »

user3939382 wrote: post #876
danny_codes wrote: post #859

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Induction stoves are cheaper, more energy efficient, safer, and better for your health. There aren't any advantages to gas at all. The gas industry has, however, put many billions into lobbying and marketing to convince you otherwise. And it seems they have succeeded. For your education https://youtu.be/hX2aZUav-54

> There aren't any advantages to gas at all That's false. Gas means you can instantly adjust the heat level. Electric is nice if you don't actually cook or don't know how. You don't find electric in any restaurant ever and there's a reason for that. Again, the people pushing this legislation 100% do not have electric ranges in their house. This is performative politics that has nothing to do with actually caring abou…

> You don’t find electric in any restaurant ever and there’s a reason for that.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jan/29/why-elec...

Re: New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

#935

Post by alex_lav »

apnew wrote: post #931
alex_lav wrote: post #923

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should legislation include science and fact-less personal preference?

Where did I say that? I’m saying there is no need for restricting gas range installations via legislation. If the goal is to fight health risks there’s way to mitigate those risks scientifically in other ways that allows people to keep their preferences. Just saying “science” in a sentence doesn’t make your point scientifically valid, we don’t need to turn science into religion.

But...replace gas range with seatbelts or smoking cigarettes indoors and you're repeating exactly the argument that was made while that legislation was happening. "We can't add legislation because I like the dangerous thing"

Re: New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

#936

Post by slashdev »

evandijk70 wrote: post #831
slashdev wrote: post #749

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Banning gas for heating has a reasonable climate change argument. In Vancouver heating systems in new buildings will have to be zero emission soon. That makes some sense at least. Banning it for cooking seems to be another case of focusing on things that don’t move the needle. Meanwhile coal power plants continue to operate. There are less than 2500 major coal power plants worldwide. Why don’t we band together, mass…

I agree that banning gas for cooking is not important to control climate change. But for new buildings that do not require gas for heating, does it make sense to construct and maintain gas infrastructure just for cooking?

No, I think it probably doesn’t make sense. Also people can use the little tanks, like for your BBQ if they really want that. If the building rules allow it anyway.

Re: New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

#937

Post by engineer_22 »

IIAOPSW wrote: post #907
engineer_22 wrote: post #890

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NY government doesn't govern across state borders?

What part of "Empire State" did we not make clear.

What? I can't talk to the voices in your head, please forward their reply.

Re: New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

#938

Post by aww_dang »

hairofadog wrote: post #701
goodluckchuck wrote: post #698

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, obviously regulation is a conspiracy. It will is a coordinated activity by multiple individuals. Second, none of this is an argument to ban natural gas appliances. what is the harm? Is the harm acceptable? Should a person be allowed to except the harm? Can the harm be mitigated by education or change in behavior? And who has the jurisdiction to implement these regulations even if natural gas stoves are in unre…

That’s a pretty broad definition of conspiracy that seems like it would include almost all human endeavors, no?

In most uses, "conspiracy" is nothing more than a scare-word. The poster may have been attempting to illustrate this.

Re: New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

#939

Post by lobocinza »

ryan-allen wrote: post #928
lobocinza wrote: post #879

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO it's more even in a induction stove than in a gas stove. But maybe that is due to the more expensive frying pan I had to buy.

Induction is the best of both worlds, but you do have to have induction pans. Stainless steel last a lifetime, and are not _that_ expensive, and you can also use cast iron!

> Stainless steel last a lifetime

Yes but not the teflon coating.

Re: New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

#940

Post by throwaway2990 »

ramraj07 wrote: post #815
throwaway2990 wrote: post #780

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Never seen it finished off on an open flame in Singapore or Malaysia. No one does that. Roti prata is one of my favourite late night snacks. Atleast once a week I go down at 1am to buy it. If we talk about say poppadoms. Doing that without an open flame produces… it produces something…

More people than the population of the US likely eat rotis prepared that way. Like this: https://youtu.be/lsI08y6jwaQ All of north India eats rotis made this way as their staple.

Wow so I went down a rabbit hole today. When I traveled around India for around 4 months I never saw this made on gas. I did see it done on an open flame but it was never with gas. But YouTube is filled with tons of videos doing it at home on a gas stove. Which lead me down a rabbit hole of how bad it is to use gas flames for this stuff. That I actually think I will never make poppadoms on the gas stove anymore.

So then I asked my Indian co-workers who said they do sometimes use the gas stove to do some stuff but they avoid it as it’s not healthy. They said never finish things like roti on gas stove but they do things with eggplants (and some other vegetable) and peel them after. They said it’s better to use a fire and it tastes better.

Post reply on HN