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I keep mine on chronological sort so I only see people I follow.

Just because you chose to leave the vicinity of the megaphone doesn't mean the megaphone stops existing. I'd bet more than 90% of twitter users keep their feed on the default sort.

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post #900

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As far as I understand all the major platforms do this all the time, and it’s called a shadow ban. Often they even stop showing to followers, you just get blended out of the algorithm

That's not the same. A shadow ban makes your post invisible to all but the poster.

Hmm, in my experience on instagram the type of ban meant the person I followers posts just didn’t end up in my feed/timeline/algo

But if I went to their profile I would still see them

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Don't forget he's super anti-remote-work which is going to scare a way a good 30% of the employees anyway

People hate to hear it on HN but you really don't need 10000+ employees to run a glorified forum site and Musk is going to prove it once again.

> Musk is going to prove it once again.

You make it sound like this has been proven many times, examples?

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post #507

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> In this instance the "hate crime" is merely saying someone's biological sex is x, even if they say they are y. That's mischaracterizing what was said. Here's the actual article: https://babylonbee.com/news/the-babylon-bees-man-of-the-year... This is ridicule, quite clearly. I won't get into the "is it or is it not a hate crime" bit, but this isn't "merely" stating anything. The term "biological sex" doesn't even ap…

I'm going to reply to my own comment to extend the last point, because I think it's important to point out: I think it's clear, and that everyone would agree, that if you showed up here on HN making fun of another commenter for their gender in exactly the way that the Bee did, using exactly the same words, that you'd be banned. And we'd all agree that you should be banned. I think the logical trap that the "free spee…

There are many things otherwise allowed on Twitter that would get you banned from HN.

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Everyone seems to say there’s no moderation policy that will please everyone. Sounds right. But the real physical world has freedom of speech and it works pretty well. There’s a KKK meeting going on somewhere right now and yet none of us are bothered. Is the issue really freedom of speech or is it that Twitter puts people who would absolutely hate each other into the same room? What if you just fix that second part i…

> the real physical world has freedom of speech and it works pretty well If someone were to enter a privately owned "public square" in the physical world and start yelling racial slurs, they'd be removed by the cops.

No, that is protected and has been for decades:

Robins v. Pruneyard Shopping Center

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Everyone seems to say there’s no moderation policy that will please everyone. Sounds right. But the real physical world has freedom of speech and it works pretty well. There’s a KKK meeting going on somewhere right now and yet none of us are bothered. Is the issue really freedom of speech or is it that Twitter puts people who would absolutely hate each other into the same room? What if you just fix that second part i…

> and yet none of us are bothered What? I think a lot of people are very bothered by that... especially the victims.

what victims? Are Christians victims because satanists are gathering privately somewhere else to have their own ceremonies?

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> and yet none of us are bothered What? I think a lot of people are very bothered by that... especially the victims.

what victims? Are Christians victims because satanists are gathering privately somewhere else to have their own ceremonies?

Christianity and Satanism aren't inherently and (usually) intentionally harmful. The KKK is literally a terrorist organization meeting for the purpose of conspiring to commit acts of terror and spread racism, with the explicit intention, that that propaganda has the specific effect of harming people. That's what their goal is, to hurt people, for the benefit of their own in-group.

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I can't help but think this model will lead to over-representation of fanatical or fringe viewpoints.

Gay marriage is a fringe view point. Interracial marriage is a fringe viewpoint. Women voting is a fringe viewpoint. Abolishing slavery is a fringe viewpoint.

Every social progress that has ever occurred started out as a fringe viewpoint.

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post #830

Everyone seems to say there’s no moderation policy that will please everyone. Sounds right. But the real physical world has freedom of speech and it works pretty well. There’s a KKK meeting going on somewhere right now and yet none of us are bothered. Is the issue really freedom of speech or is it that Twitter puts people who would absolutely hate each other into the same room? What if you just fix that second part i…

> the real physical world has freedom of speech and it works pretty well If someone were to enter a privately owned "public square" in the physical world and start yelling racial slurs, they'd be removed by the cops.

Fascinating, I didn't know that ruling.

However, to the larger point, in pre-internet times if you were to enter a public forum and shout racial obscenities it wouldn't be possible to do so anonymously, I imagine you'd get cited for creating a public disturbance (possibly thrown out on appeal if you bought an expensive lawyer?), and you'd suffer multiyear reputational damage [at least in small town].

These mechanisms seem to work - I scarcely ever seen in-person behavior that sinks to the level of online behavior. And I think we're all happier for it, imagine if the public playground allowed strangers from all over the world to shout whatever phrase they want anonymously with no transportation cost.

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Twitter is basically an internet scale public bathroom wall with everyone scrawling short hot takes onto the walls. The best case scenario has always been that it shut down and I hope we are one day closer to that eventuality. It is ironic and laughable that Elons post to advertisers is done with screenshots of text. After 20+ years of mainstream networked computing this is what passes as a state of art platform and…

What's wrong with screenshots of text? They're easily readable. The white background makes things stand out more than just posting text on stock Twitter. It's one reason Insta story posts and even slides have text. Technological progress doesn't mean making user-hostile design. If users like a format or medium, you can offer it to them even if your platform is capable of greater things.

A lot of accounts on Twitter screenshot text in order to circumvent notifications to the accounts they cite... This allows people to hijack content, and to arrange brigades without having a clear path back to the source of where they started.

One of the most important things for Elon to understand is that no matter how many programmatical measures are put into place to prevent abuse, there will always eventually be a workaround for people on a very public and open site. Protecting users and their content rights should be a goal of the platform as well, too many of these social sites see copycat behavior as fair game, and they reward people who steal and hijack content, that needs to be discouraged among several other bad social media behaviors.

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